drychnath

No, once I get done reading the reputable news sources I've run out of the time necessary to dig up 8000 youtube clips

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EQ2: Avenger Drychnath Malcherion -AB

Everything is on a great scale upon this continent, the rivers are immense, the climate violent in heat and cold, the prospects magnificent, the thunder and lightning tremendous, the disorders incident to the country make every constitution tremble. Our own blunders here, our misconduct, our losses, our disgraces, our ruin Are On a Great Scale.
-Lord Carlisle

Krontak

You still missed the point but I'll explain.

Iraq was wrong.
The accident was wrong.

The surge didn't right the wrong of the war.
The saving of the kid didn't right the wrong of the accident.

drychnath

Here's another gem for you, then

You step outside your house and you see your neighbor beating the shit out of his wife and kids, let's his brother do the same, then gets really pissed off and kills a few, storms back into the house and shouts "I've got a fucking grenade and I'm not afraid to use it"

Do you
A) sit around and debate whether he actually has the grenade or
B) save the rest of the kids

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EQ2: Avenger Drychnath Malcherion -AB

Everything is on a great scale upon this continent, the rivers are immense, the climate violent in heat and cold, the prospects magnificent, the thunder and lightning tremendous, the disorders incident to the country make every constitution tremble. Our own blunders here, our misconduct, our losses, our disgraces, our ruin Are On a Great Scale.
-Lord Carlisle

Krontak

Here's another one for you.

You see your neighbor beating the shit out of his wife and wielding a gun.

Do you.

A) Send your kids over there to fight him.

B) Send your neighbors kids over there to fight him.

Widem

C) Send over the police which signed up for the job.

Deson

And since A&B happen to be the police, hey, it works!

Widem, I can't be the only one pained by reading this thread. All the nuance of the Iraq debtate shoehorned into shitty child abuse and auto accident analogies. The only reason I'm following it is morbid curiosity.

Fucks ups aside, if we had it to do over and knew( well I knew) there were no weapons of mass destruction, would you have us go?

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drychnath

Saving the kid and then making sure it has food and clothes and safety and security is the right thing to do, whether the parents died in an accident, or whether they were killed holding the kid hostage with a gun. All you've been doing is bitching about how much it cost to do the right thing.

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EQ2: Avenger Drychnath Malcherion -AB

Everything is on a great scale upon this continent, the rivers are immense, the climate violent in heat and cold, the prospects magnificent, the thunder and lightning tremendous, the disorders incident to the country make every constitution tremble. Our own blunders here, our misconduct, our losses, our disgraces, our ruin Are On a Great Scale.
-Lord Carlisle

Otis

You're not.

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Deson

Actually he's been bitching that what we did was wrong in the first place while completely ignoring the aftermath. Of course, any such discussion and principle is moot once you've committed to an action as we have. While I strongly disagree with you even going into his analogies, let alone adding the grenade part, the morally upright thing to do is fix your mistakes and own up to your responsibilities. In our case, that responsibility is staying in Iraq until we can do no more good--or they kick us out.

I thought you were better than us and avoiding it.

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Deson

delete.

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