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Old 09-16-2008, 02:34 PM  
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Default Gas car vs Volt

New charts made up. Dang.

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$15k __ gas car __35mpg
$15k __ gas car __25mpg
$15k __ gas car __15mpg

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$35k __ Volt __ 40mpC (never using gas)
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Difference in price = $20,000
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$3.50gallon of gas
$.02 cents per mile on electric = $.80 per charge.(40miles)
35mpg car vs volt
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750 Gallons / year = $2,625.00 / year = 26,250miles / year
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26,250miles / 40(1charge) = 656.25 charges
656.25Charges = $525.00 / year
$2,625.00 - $525.00 = $2,100.00 saved / year
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~10 years to pay off difference
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500 Gallons / year = $1,750.00 / year = 17,500miles / year
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17,500miles / 40(1charge) = 437.5 charges
437.5Charges = $350.00 / year
$1,750.00 - $350 = $1,400 saved / year
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~14 years to pay off difference
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250 Gallons / year = $875 / year = 8,750miles / year
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8,750miles / 40(1charge) = 218.75 charges
218.75 charges = $175 / year
$875 - $175 = $700 saved / year
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~28 years to pay off difference

25mpg car vs volt
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750 Gallons / year = $2,625.00 / year = 18,750miles / year
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18,750miles / 40(1charge) = 468.75 charges
468.75Charges = $375.00 / year
$2,625.00 - $375.00 = $2,250.00 saved / year
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~9 years to pay off difference
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500 Gallons / year = $1,750.00 / year = 12,500miles / year
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12,500miles / 40(1charge) = 312.5 charges
312.5Charges = $250.00 / year
$1,750.00 - $250 = $1,500 saved / year
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~13 years to pay off difference
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250 Gallons / year = $875 / year = 6,250miles / year
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6,250miles / 40(1charge) = 156.25 charges
156.25 charges = $125 / year
$875 - $125 = $750 saved / year
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~26 years to pay off difference

15mpg car vs volt
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750 Gallons / year = $2,625.00 / year = 11,250miles / year
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11,250miles / 40(1charge) = 281.25 charges
281.25Charges = $225.00 / year
$2,625.00 - $225.00 = $2,400.00 saved / year
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~8 years to pay off difference
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500 Gallons / year = $1,750.00 / year = 7,500miles / year
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7,500miles / 40(1charge) = 187.5 charges
187.5Charges = $150.00 / year
$1,750.00 - $150= $1,600 saved / year
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~12 years to pay off difference
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250 Gallons / year = $875 / year = 3,750miles / year
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3,750miles / 40(1charge) = 93.75 charges
93.75 charges = $75 / year
$875 - $75 = $800 saved / year
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~25 years to pay off difference
WOW. I didn't realize just how bad those numbers were >< You can easily sub in and out numbers to fit your car with these charts.

Hope this helps.
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:14 PM  
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dunno why someone would buy 1 tbh, lets consider it:

The advantages:
You dont kill the planet in the next 15 million years
you dont cause our kids to never seen a polar bear in its natural habitat
You save on fuel which is rising alot.
You don't fund George Bush with fuel taxes.

Disadvantages:
Initial outlay = EEEEK
It is going to require more maintenence/servicing
your stuck with it for 8 years because who would want a 2nd hand one?
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Upside to electric car: you don't use gas.

Downside: You probably use electricity that was created in a coal power plant.

And Lamil, assuming that someone is already getting 35 mpg, I somehow doubt that they'd be the sort of person who'd want to switch over to pure electric. I figure that the average American gets probably closer to 20-25. Sadly, my shitty truck gets around 15 .

Otherwise, that does seem to be about right. Alternative technology is still expensive, which is why it isn't so prevalent.
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Pickens Plan! We need CNG vehicles. Then they need to start figuring out a way to "mine" all that gas hydrate off the Carolinas.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:32 PM  
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Downside: You probably use electricity that was created in a coal power plant.
That is a key point many will miss. Based on the charts, it's unlikely going to save money vs a $15k car, and because of how our power is generated, it's unlikely to do much for the environment either.

Now for those few houses with solar power, it'll be a nice boost for the environment. About as nice as filling the ocean one bucket of water at a time.

But to be fair, it is definitely nice to see people trying to think outside the box from traditional gas guzzling cars. It's definitely a good start, but far from the answer.
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Offer one that costs 20k instead of 40, so the price difference is only like 5k.. and then someone with a 20-25mpg car would pay that difference off on average of 2-3 years. Then they start saving 2k a year and it becomes worth it.

But until that 20k difference is brought down, not even close to being worth it.
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It is going to require more maintenence/servicing
your stuck with it for 8 years because who would want a 2nd hand one?
Really?

Electric cars have less working parts to break so less maintenanceMy 2005 Prius I could sell for only a few thousand less then I paid for it.

Need me to de-bunk any more myths for ya?

There are also quite a few other manufactures out there with sub $15k PHEV (pure hybrid electric vehicles) in testing and on the horizon for 2010-2011.
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It's actually worse than the caculations elude to.

$20,000 over the course of 9 years at a 5% return which is very very conservative is $31,026.56.

You would literally never be able to make a return on your investment with current gas prices b/c the extra cash you put out would grow faster in interest than the cost of gas you are paying. And also with compounding the longer it takes for this chart for you to say it gets a return on investment the more money you lose.

Very very poor investment.
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It's actually worse than the caculations elude to.

$20,000 over the course of 9 years at a 5% return which is very very conservative is $31,026.56.

You would literally never be able to make a return on your investment with current gas prices b/c the extra cash you put out would grow faster in interest than the cost of gas you are paying. And also with compounding the longer it takes for this chart for you to say it gets a return on investment the more money you lose.

Very very poor investment.
Thanks for mentioning that, I was wayyyy too lazy to go into that lol
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