Rinion

lmao yes. people from big cities would turn down jobs like that. Btw? how many Farms are in the L.A. Area?

for that study to be legitimate they would have to go to smaller towns in more rural Locations. those magazines are full of shit.

I used to live in a small town called Blackfoot idaho. its so rural out their that when Harvest Season comes along school is let out for a good two weeks. because families all help with the harvest.

My mom even worked during harvest driving truck or picking potatos out of the ground.

point being is that their are plenty of people willing to do those jobs just dumb ass magazines and people that claim their arent look in the wrong places.

personally I'm All for immigrant workers, but this is how it needs to work. They should NOT come to live here, they should set up something like a temp agency. So big shot farmer #1 calls and says he needs 100 workers to bring in his harvest. 100 workers are sent up, bring in the harvest, then go home after being payed.

If they want to live here then they need to go through the proper channels.

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Arthais

which statute? This statute?

So it's illegal to aid and abet huh? But what is aiding and abetting? Let's see how black's law dictionary defines aiding and abetting shall we?

Knowing has nothing to do with a crime that requires knowledge? What the fuck language do they use on your planet exactly?

Do your research, THEN talk.

edit 'cause I can't spell abet...though the concept of aiding and abetting is redundant because to abet means to aid...so it just means aiding and aiding.

Laodaron

And since this is geared toward the Illegal alien market, it is aiding and abetting. If you are legally in the US, you have a SS#. That's 100% fact. If you don't, contact Social Security and get one, takes a few weeks. If you are here illegally, and aren't stealing an identity, you don't have a SS#. That's 100% fact. Therefore, common logic states that not having a SS# = being illegal, since anyone legal can have one.
Since that is common logic, to offer credit to someone WITHOUT a SS# is to offer credit to someone in America illegally, and knowing it; therefore, aiding and abetting someone who is breaking the law.

Arthais

perhaps.

Except that's not what they're doing.

They're offering credit on certain conditions. THe presence of a SS# is simply not one of them.

The customer might have one. The customer might not. BoA simply does not ask. The process is simple. They simply do not ask to see your social security card, and don't check to see if you have one.

To offer the card ONLY to those WITHOUT a SS# requires them asking IF you have on to begin with. This is...borderline.

BoA simply...doesn't ask. And under law, they don't have to. They don't care if you have a SS# or not. While this may benefit illegal aliens, and perhaps most who take advantage of it are illegal aliens, BoA doesn't actually KNOW whether one is, or isn't an illegal alien.

They simply don't ask.

Ignorance, after all, is bliss. Perhaps more importantly, ignorance is a defense to a crime with a knowledge requirement.

Really, seriously, you lack the legal sophistication to make these arguments. Do some research before you talk about things like this.

Panthera

1.) Where have I ever cited that statute?

2.) Follow your own advice and actually read the law. Each of the sections provides either knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact [they are unauthorized to be in the US]. Simply, you must establish you made a good faith effort to determine eligibility. Failure to establish you at least gave a shit and provided they are unauthorized subjects you to criminal penalties even if you don't know for certain.

I will be happy to parse the law with you all day long (business issues permitting). Beyond the legal symantics, BoA is fucking up with this policy.

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Arthais

and you have a long way to go to demonstrate this is recklessness.

It targets someone who has a bank account with BoA for three months. That's it. They are not legally REQUIRED to ask for a SS#, and they are not.

Banking regulations clearly state what aspects a bank must go through to grant a credit card to someone.

BoA as a bank has the right to issue credit to whomever they please provided they fulfill the legal requirements. They are. A social security number is not one of them.

The law requires certain proceedures be fulfilled. Those procedures are fulfilled. If the government has a problem with the fact that the procedures IT CREATED can result in credit cards being issued to illegal immigrants, than the government can change its regulation.

The fact stands however that a social security number is legally not a requirement. Reckless disregard can not be established when your actions are fully and completely within the bounds of the law.

BoA is not legally required to ask for a SSN. So they are not. No further discussion is necessary. The government has clearly outlined which actions are illegal and which are legal. By definition you can not aid and abet when your actions are fully within the law.

Illuminator

Let's go back to square one. Why would BoA not ask for a SSN?

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Arthais

because they don't have to.

We need no other reason.

Illuminator

Congress will ask the same question and bet your ass they will get a better answer than "because we don't have to".

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Arthais

No, they won't.

Wanna know why?

Because they don't have to. Congress has no right to ask them why they chose to comply with the law in that way. They complied with the law.

You can not charge someone because you don't like the results of their legal actions.

If congress does not like the results of legal conduct, they may change the law and make such conduct illegal from that point forward.