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Filth · 10-28-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

Gingrich is part of the problem. He's for low taxes as long as its wealthy people with low taxes. He is for personal responsibility - for poor people.

Just out of curiosity, how many poor people do you know that got rich or dug them selvs out of poverty because of some one elses responsibility? Because I can think of nun.

On the other hand i can think of plenty who are fully content to live in the street entirely on just what ppl will give them and on w/e welfare they receive.

"Spreading the wealth around" to a large degree then doesnt seem like a very good thing to do to ANYONE as people become dependent on it and you can never do enough of it for the people who make less to live like the rich.

Filth · 10-28-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

Abortion is a flashpoint for for two of our deepest beliefs, life and liberty if we are to err the I say we err on the side of liberty which says abortions stay legal and available. I have a couple of problems with the anti-abortion crowd and here they are.

1) Giving a shit about the kids seems to stop after the kids is born. We have over 200k kids in this country that need homes with parents who love them. Get all those kids homes and then I'll worry about the ones that haven't even been born yet.

2) People will get abortions anyways. They will just do them in dirty unsafe conditions which will lead to even more loss of life and even more people for our overpopulated penal system to handle.

So if a woman decided to have an illegal abortion against better judgment, its ever ones fault but hers? The woman putting her self into that position bears no since of the responsibility? You really think that the number of people doing this is going to be so large that it will have a sever impact on the penal system? Are you fucking retarded?

- Side note The Ad Council adoptuskids.org was on the ad on flames when I was writing this post which I found fitting.

You found it fitting? Really, i find it IRONIC. How can this ad be tho? We dont give a shit or do anything about them once their born, remember?

"Giving a shit about the kids seems to stop after the kids is born"

You LITERALY fucking typed that on a site with a common ad about adoption on the side of your screen. your self ownage is just fucking amazing.

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

I'm talking about responsibly using the limited resources at our disposal. I also fail to see how being born into a family that doesn't want or love you to be good or humane in any way.

So you know then that every baby aborted would never be loved given the chance? Furthermore, this is a basis for denying them life?

I know lots of ppl whos parents didnt love them and ive worked with ppl who were abused as children. If they would have been better off never being born for their own sake as you imply, then it would seem reasonable that they would want to die at any time in there lives. If THEY felt this was the right thing to do then they would have killed them selves.

Your statement claims to know what is better for anyone in that situation than they do. Your statement claims that anyone who was abused during childhood would be better off dead. Why dont you take a knife and walk up to everyone who was ever mistreated during their childhood and kill them. If your theory is correct, you shouldnt meet any resistance.

Im a psychology student you stupid fuck. Ive read more information about abused children than you even know exists. Ive spent a lot of time reading about coping mechanisms, therapy and how people over come obstacles, ive never read anything that just said those people would be better off dead. I have never heard any one coming out of that situation giving ppl who are still in it the advice that they should just kill them selves. And yet YOU think that those people would just be better off dead.

For WHOS sake Argyuile? For theirs or for your own sake? For your own conscious thinking that you or the world would some how be bettered with their disposal?

When you and every one else makes these claims, your not talking about wemons rights or THEIR right to chose. YOUR making the choice that YOU would be better off if abortion was legal and prevalent.

Again your only worried about having the baby born, but if it starves to death, or ends up in prison or is beaten and assaulted by its parents, who cares, you got it into this world by banning abortion the rest is up to the kid to figure out I guess.

This is just absolutely asinine. Normally i would ridicule for some one saying something like this for trying to be purposefully dishonest, but i think your just stupid enough to actually say something like this.

Your logic(altho moronic and already flamed) could be applied to ANY one who is ever born.

What exactly is your basis for the claim that ppl who oppose abortion dont care about beatings and assault? How exactly do you know that no one cares if the child ends up dead? Is it because you precieve that not as much is being done about those issues as abortion? What exactly do you expect ppl who oppose abortion to do about those issues? Blaming them for those issues only serves to make your argument incredibly weak.

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Originally Posted by Pouncer

A fetus is a group of cells in a woman's body that won't survive if removed, therefore a part of her body i.e. nobody else's business. Once the fetus is viable I think you enter a gray area but I would hope a woman would decide to have an abortion before the third trimester. If her life is in danger fuck it, she can always have another.

And there are about ZERO cases like this where an abortion is the only alternative to save a mothers life. Furthermore, I find it humors that this is a recurring argument for abortion even tho is usually never something that is opposed even by pro lifers.

All in all using the health of the mother argument for abortion rights is a complete fucking construct of propaganda. Used to instill the idea in peoples heads that making abortion illegal will lead to numerous deaths of pregnant women and to further paint pro lifers as ppl who are against the rights of a mother. Completely fucking fake.

And FUCK YOU Illum for injecting this topic into something it had absolutly nothing to do with in the first place.

Your a god amung trolls for your work in this thread

/bow

Weatherman · 10-28-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Morara

Fixed.

I'm curious, Morara...

I know you were merely filling in Argyuile's post to lump Illuminator and myself into the list of names in order to save time, space, and any sort of effort, but...

What makes you think either of us is racist or a bible-thumper? We disagree with you, so that obviously qualifies us as 'batshit insane' and 'idiots'...but beyond that, what have you got? What specifically prompts you to make that accusation?

I won't protest if Otis or Pouncer or whoever comes to the rescue and bails you out on this - they'll more than likely be much more articulate and coherent, anyways - but I'd like to know what prompted that little fit.

Pouncer · 10-28-2009, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Filth

And there are about ZERO cases like this where an abortion is the only alternative to save a mothers life.

Wrong again, Possumfucker:
Medical Reasons for Abortion - LoveToKnow Pregnancy

Although most women are able to successfully carry a pregnancy to term with no risk to their own health, there are some women who have medical conditions that make it difficult or dangerous to give birth. When faced with a pregnancy under these circumstances, abortion is one option that may be considered.
Examples of some of the conditions that can complicate a pregnancy include:

Cancer
Heart disease
Diabetes
Autoimmune disorders
HIV
AIDS
Certain other sexually transmitted diseases

Another health concern they don't list in the link above is Ectopic pregnancy. Depending on the research studies, roughly 3% of abortions are done because of health concerns for the mother. With an estimated 1 million+ abortions a year that's over 30,000 women's lives, every year.

You really should learn some facts before saying anything.

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Furthermore, I find it humors that this is a recurring argument for abortion even tho is usually never something that is opposed even by pro lifers.

It depends on the pro-lifer. The Catholic Church, for instance, opposes abortion for any reason whatsoever.

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All in all using the health of the mother argument for abortion rights is a complete fucking construct of propaganda. Used to instill the idea in peoples heads that making abortion illegal will lead to numerous deaths of pregnant women and to further paint pro lifers as ppl who are against the rights of a mother. Completely fucking fake.

I think I have proven you have no idea what you're talking about. You need to come out of your fantasy world and join the rest of us in this lovely place we call "reality".

Morara · 10-28-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Weatherman

I'm curious, Morara...

I know you were merely filling in Argyuile's post to lump Illuminator and myself into the list of names in order to save time, space, and any sort of effort, but...

What makes you think either of us is racist or a bible-thumper? We disagree with you, so that obviously qualifies us as 'batshit insane' and 'idiots'...but beyond that, what have you got? What specifically prompts you to make that accusation?

I won't protest if Otis or Pouncer or whoever comes to the rescue and bails you out on this - they'll more than likely be much more articulate and coherent, anyways - but I'd like to know what prompted that little fit.

It's just a guess, based on the fact that no matter what Obama says/does (even if it's something that shouldn't even be an issue), you're vehemently opposed to the point where you're bashing your keyboard in rage.

On top of that, your already hateful rants about muslims clearly boasts a high level of intolerance that could easily be flopped across an already blurred line.

As for Illuminator, his desire to de-legitimize Obama any chance he can get (he's got quite a few birther posts, among other things) shows that his real desire isn't to combat issues that conflict with what's right in his mind, but to get the porch monkey out of the White House.

Really, I don't like Obama's health care bill, nor do I support his desire to keep the Afghanistan bullshit going, but grow up, people.

Weatherman · 10-28-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pouncer

The Catholic Church, for instance, opposes abortion for any reason whatsoever.

That's because they want people to make lots and lots of new Catholics for Jesus. Also one of the reasons I'm not Catholic.

Actually, the biggest reason is that the Catholic Church is unconditionally opposed to both abortion and birth control (for the aforementioned reason, no doubt) at the same time.

To me, that is just fucking crazy. Even if you accept the premise that life begins at conception, birth control should not even be an item of debate. Does it abort? No - it prevents. Life hasn't started yet - so what's the big fat problem?

Pouncer · 10-28-2009, 08:20 AM

The problem is Catholics believe that sex should be for procreation ONLY. Even masturbation is forbidden because it destroys the "seeds of life".

Weatherman · 10-28-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Morara

It's just a guess, based on the fact that no matter what Obama says/does (even if it's something that shouldn't even be an issue), you're vehemently opposed to the point where you're bashing your keyboard in rage.

On top of that, your already hateful rants about muslims clearly boasts a high level of intolerance that could easily be flopped across an already blurred line.

As for Illuminator, his desire to de-legitimize Obama any chance he can get (he's got quite a few birther posts, among other things) shows that his real desire isn't to combat issues that conflict with what's right in his mind, but to get the porch monkey out of the White House.

Really, I don't like Obama's health care bill, nor do I support his desire to keep the Afghanistan bullshit going, but grow up, people.

Well, I won't presume to speak for Illuminator, but to address your points:

Obama is disingenuous. I don't trust him. Period. In the same manner I don't trust Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Rangel, Barney Frank, or Christopher Dodd. The words 'liar', 'cheat', 'Janus', and 'spendthrift' are just the start of it. These underhanded, two-faced monstrosities are pushing our country down the Marxist slope ( an observation made by, of all things, Pravda), and so far, the only real comfort I can take is that eventually, regardless of how old I live to be, I'll be dead, and beyond caring how badly they've raped my country. Then the fear...not rage, but fear...will be over.

As to my 'hateful rants about muslims'...call it hate, if you will. I call it 'realism'. And it is not against 'muslims'...it is more properly said to be against 'Islam' (and yes, there is a difference).

There is no other, no other, religion today that openly advocated war against innocent people, murder against the blameless, slavery, hatred, and genocide. No other. Period. Only Islam. Only Islam imposes a penalty of death for switching to another religion. Only Islam keeps a large percentage of it's female population ignorant, illiterate, and subservient on purpose.

And most people in the West are just too fucking stupid to realize it, because they've had the wool pulled over their eyes, or are afraid of
being labeled 'racist' (how the fuck can one be 'racist' against a religion? ) or some other dipshit label by some leftist fucktard with their head up their ass. People can call me names, label me a bigot, then put their blinders back on and stick their snouts back in the truffle patch...fine. At least I see the bullet with my freedom's name on it. To paraphrase, I have looked into the face of the Enemy - and his name is Islam.

Illuminator · 10-28-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

So if I use birth control am a denying sperm and the egg the liberty of being conceived?

We're talking about abortion not the prevention of conception.

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

I'm talking about responsibly using the limited resources at our disposal. I also fail to see how being born into a family that doesn't want or love you to be good or humane in any way.

Again your only worried about having the baby born, but if it starves to death, or ends up in prison or is beaten and assaulted by its parents, who cares, you got it into this world by banning abortion the rest is up to the kid to figure out I guess.

Doesn't the fetus get to decide? But how can it assert itself? How is it that a poor defendant may demand state-appointed counsel but an unborn human who is guaranteed innocent is not only undefended but executed?

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

What specifically makes something "industrial scale" for example if I start making wigits in my garage at then start to make more, at what point does my wigit making being "industrial scale"?

Over a million abortions a year, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

I favor a things that stop unwanted pregnancies and that is where effort should be focused. Once the reason to get abortions goes away so will the abortions and the industry supporting them.

The reason to get abortions is too often recklessly easy availability, almost like no-fault divorce. Once it's clear that killing the fetus isn't any longer a Get Out Of Jail Free card, people are a little more careful about how they conduct themselves.

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Originally Posted by Morara

As for Illuminator, his desire to de-legitimize Obama any chance he can get (he's got quite a few birther posts, among other things) shows that his real desire isn't to combat issues that conflict with what's right in his mind, but to get the porch monkey out of the White House.

Even more race baiting. You're not the first liberal who couldn't help himself.

Prof · 10-28-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm all for abortion, but if women are allowed to abort without the man's consent or against a man's wishes, men should be allowed to clone themselves.