The Pandemic Tin Foil Hat - Page 2

Ouchy Dathurts · 11-05-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladamier

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm just commenting on the subject you brought up..

But it's true though that there will always be someone somewhere with immunity, regardless of what virus or strain it is.

I didn't know the OP was saying this is world wide genocide and everyone is going to die. Must have missed it, but I admit I didn't watch the videos. Pretty sure the OP is there to point out the fucked upness of the situation and not talking about the end of the world.

Vladamier · 11-05-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouchy Dathurts

I didn't know the OP was saying this is world wide genocide and everyone is going to die. Must have missed it, but I admit I didn't watch the videos. Pretty sure the OP is there to point out the fucked upness of the situation and not talking about the end of the world.

I know, all I'm trying to say is that if it ever did reach that point a virus wouldn't kill everybody.

Ouchy Dathurts · 11-05-2009, 08:35 PM

I don't think anyone thought (or thinks) it would outside of crazies. Something could completely rape 99% of the planet but there will always be some poor souls (or lucky people, depending) left.

Just watched the nun video and shes claiming aprox 33% of people 60+ would be immune to h1n1 already. Granted if only 60+ year olds were left they wouldn't have much hope of repopulating this bitch =)

Vainamoinen · 11-05-2009, 09:03 PM

I think the greater point is that these viruses are not really at a pandemic level to begin with. The WHO recently changed their criteria to declare something as being pandemic so that now the H1N1 (and even our seaonal flu) can be dubbed as pandemic.

Why the definition change? Why declare a virus that is no more virulent or fatal than a seasonal virus "pandemic"? Why begin considering mandatory vaccinations?

There are other more specific and very different questions to ask of the Baxter incident and the current situation in the Ukraine.

The difficulty, however, is approaching it in a reasonable manner and keeping the tin foil hats on the rack.

Ouchy Dathurts · 11-05-2009, 09:32 PM

Alright, just watched all the nun's videos. She raises some interesting points. I'm not going to jump on the whole "pandemic" conspiracy as a means to attempt to exterminate or what have you. It does seem like a retarded change to the definition though, but I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

That being said, the 2 points she raises I believe are completely and totally legit. If, by definition of the WHO, a pandemic is declared which would force the population of a country by law to distribute the vaccine to every living person in that country 2 things need to happen. The right to refuse the vaccine (which I would based solely on the fact that H1N1 is a joke) and the right of a person taking the vaccine to be legally/financially compensated for permanent, life changing side effects.

Neither of those are unreasonable at all. But, I'm not putting my tin foil hat on either.

Vainamoinen · 11-05-2009, 09:43 PM

With every "conspiracy theory" there is the extremists. Take, for example, stivan's FBI thread and the idea of provocatuers - purposefully placed and scripted extremists who, through radical and ridiculous claims, discredit the movement they are "supporting".

I think the idea of what is going on as the start of some global population reduction is pretty far-fetched. The idea of this being a subtle method to exert arbitrary control on a global scale is even pretty far-fetched. The problem is, there are inconsistencies going on and there doesn't seem to be just cause or a rational explanation.

Ouchy Dathurts · 11-05-2009, 10:02 PM

That's true, and I'm not exactly a fan of pharmaceutical companies but I'm not ready to make the jump. Will we know the answers to some of the gray areas? Probably not, but unless they actually start forcing people to take them against their will I don't see it as an issue. If they do start doing that people are going to tell them to fuck off. If people in spain are forced to take them for instance and they start dying off in droves some people are in some DEEP, DEEP shit.

But, like I said, I don't really see it happening and until it does I can't make the leap of faith personally. If it did ever come to a forced vaccination or fine/jail I'll be looking for a cell mate for life. Must have good hygiene.

Divexo · 11-06-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouchy Dathurts

Just watched the nun video and shes claiming aprox 33% of people 60+ would be immune to h1n1 already. Granted if only 60+ year olds were left they wouldn't have much hope of repopulating this bitch =)

Wasn't she talking about the seasonal flu (S-O1V) for this year?

TBH, and to had alittle more conspiracy to the mix, Yes people are dying from H1N1 and a wider range of people are getting sick(look at all the football players) not just the babies and old people. Flu is the number 1 killer every year anyhow, this just effects more people, but most healthy people are getting over it. I would put anything this is just a cold/flu medicine company trying to make a quick buck off a wider range of people. Have you seen the prices for Cold/Flu medicine these days?

Ouchy Dathurts · 11-06-2009, 05:52 PM

I thought she was speaking to the h1n1. I'll have to go back and rewatch it. But my recollection was h1n1 is similar to whatever happened in 1918 and again in 77 so their bodies had already been set to deal with it. Maybe she was talking about the other, like I said, I'll rewatch it sometime. But its impossible to be immune to the seasonal flu since it mutates every year. You just don't happen to catch it.

Meta · 11-07-2009, 06:27 AM

I heard that refusing the vaccine in the US carries a penalty of some sort? Some kind of massive fine or something?

If that's true, doesn't it kinda bother people that you are forced to have a chemical solution injected into your body, which you have no way of telling what it contains or what it'll do to you? Scary stuff.