KFizzle

So despite his serving, his not being in combat means he's on the same level as a guy who ducked military service during a war when we were fucking conscripting people, yet was vocally supportive of the war? Kthx for the clarification.

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Illuminator

And that's relevant to the debate about big government how?

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Some players might bot against encounters but it seems like he bots the encounter design!

Grog

The former congressman was hinting as though he spoke for veterans in regards to the weakness of tri-care.

Marcos, a veteran, took offense at this coming from a man who skirted the draft for a war he outspokenly supported and proceeded to call BS on the statement. Legitimate in your eyes or not i see no issue with it.

Weather or not he served in combat is a lame ass point, he swore an oath this former congressman craftily avoided.

I've seen friends use tri-care after sustaining serious injury before & after discharge from active service and used it personally for minor stuff while enlisted.

Got a notice from where i work that medicaid may cover prescriptions more fully from our insurance company and the next week notice that premiums are again going up. The co-pay is reasonable but they don't cover preventative care at all, not to mention dental.

Should i lose my job due to an extended medical leave, they will only pay up to so much before i get cut off and then i'll be shit out of luck. I personally would love to have tri-care back. Perhaps there are some legitimate horror stories out there about it, but i haven't heard them.

This doesn't really mean that tri-care is a solution on a national scale, but to say it is inadequate for those who have it is nonsense.

Certainly medical liabilty issues are different in the private sector, but tri-care also covers retirees, spouses and children who are civilians effectively. Beyond that i simply haven't done the research to have much of an informed opinion tbh.

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Illuminator

Tancredo: "Every veterans group I ever went and talked to complained about the Veterans Administration and the way it was a bureaucratically run program that didn't serve their needs. They would much rather have vouchers that would allow them to go out and buy their insurance in a private marketplace."

Tancredo justified himself right then and there. He didn't once say he was automatically right because he was in the military, but because he "talked to the veterans and that's what they said". He was representing their viewpoint, and that is perfectly fair no matter who he is or whether that viewpoint is good or bad.

Kos didn't "take offense" to that and you can clearly see it in the video when he starts his snarky Pee Wee Herman laugh. He merely used the remark as a pivot to play dirty, almost like he had that line memorized from the night before like a Get Out Of Losing Debate Free card and was running out of opportunities to jam it in and actually use it. That's what the Left does, and that's why they hate Rush Limbaugh; he returns fire to match and then some.

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Some players might bot against encounters but it seems like he bots the encounter design!

Grog

Boo-fucking hooo

Yeah he does need to justify himself when he makes a comment such as that and is then challenged to "name one". Especially considering he was talking to a member of the group he was attempting to represent.

Which he couldn't, provided the insult (or more aptly termed, facts from his past) did surface rapidly there after. Demanding an apology was a joke, but then again so is a draft skirting chickenhawk.


I am also a veteran and think what he said is BS or the validity has more to do with the geographical locations of VA medical centers in relation to the homes of veterans who use them.

Veterans who live far from them may have to travel more than they would like, so a voucher to be able to go to regular appointments at locations closer to them would be preferred. But that isn't really a matter of debate if the system were to be taken up on a larger national scale, now is it?

Oh wait this is a discussion about big government...um well until the commentator turned it into one on the single provider insurance and if they were a threat to national security and the American way of life.

The former congressman played the "veterans hate this" card and got pwned, silly draft dodgers should know better than to tell a talking head who is a veteran what all veteran's groups would prefer.

Fact is, the congressman provided little in the way of an argument to the system beyond it is gunna cost a lot and some of that is going to be transferred from medicaid funding. Not that he stuck around to do so or was provided time to make a real argument. Neither side was for that matter, as is the nature on political shout fest shows.

Not that this is atypical in the least, i honestly can't remember an actual debate that wasn't filled with catch phrases, over generalized, target audience focused, dumbed down, cherry-picked shit.

Our politicians currently suck ass at actually discussing the core of the issues, so much easier to just make shit up and argue good vs. evil.

Socialism = EVIL

Nation Healthcare = socialist = EVIL

If anyone supports it, they are EVIL!!!!*

Anyone who inquires what exactly makes it EVIL is the enemy and therefore EVIL!!!

Pretty much been the party line of the GOP and to some extent the Dems for the last decade. Why speak to the public like adults with secondary educations, when speaking on a 2nd grade level with a bit of extra bravado makes better sound clips!!! It got an utter moron voted into the presidency TWICE!!


*No different than other things previously defined and confirmed as EVIL like Hitler and Communism and Terrorism!!!

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Widem

I actually agree with this.

The dude was pretty much out of line and pretty much insulted anyone who has gotten a medical deferment and was not able to join in the armed forces because of that.

On topic of the discussion that was taking place. Medicare is socialized medicine and it costs this country more than its ever been worth.

VA health care is simply an employer deciding to run their own insurance program b/c they are so huge. Is it right or wrong to do so? I think it should be the option of the soldier.

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icKx

Yet being a (relatively) young person in good health has never stopped you from extolling the virtues of for-profit healthcare.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: get cancer, then come back here and tell us how well the current system works.

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Vladamier

We have some real patriots in this forum don't we...

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Vainamoinen

it's relevant to the debate about how the new health system is a threat to the United States freedom...

Which is more of a threat? A health-care system or fuckers who don;t have the balls to fight for their country?

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Vladamier

Why should I have to go and get myself killed, as well as killing other people, fighting a pointless war that I didn't start and want nothing to do with, for a country that's never done a thing for me? Why don't we send the politicians to fight since they're the ones so intent on getting people killed. I mean all they really do anyway is sit around debating and coming up with increasingly bad ideas.

Yet people call me the lunatic because I choose not to kill and be killed.. It amazes me how psychotic humans are..

Shit like this is as crazy as all of those protester's standing around with their signs and all the delusional and insane messages written on them.

To sum it up, I'm not a pawn in a chess game no matter how much they want me to be.

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