About that little water shortage going on in Cali... - Page 3

Daedalus · 11-20-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

Vain, there is always money its just a matter of priorities. Does cali have the money yes the absolutely do. Will they allocate it to that? Depends on how desperate they are vs what they would have to give up.

This is California we're talking about. The voters here would sooner approve a moon laser to etch Lolz into the Great Basin over a couple of desalinization plants, even if we were in desperate need of the water. It's seriously freaking redonkulous.

Filth · 11-20-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

You got it!

Vain, there is always money its just a matter of priorities. Does cali have the money yes the absolutely do. Will they allocate it to that? Depends on how desperate they are vs what they would have to give up.

CA is 60 billion$ in debt. So yes they have all the money, the only problem is that its all negative.

icKx · 11-20-2009, 05:54 PM

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A group of water oligarchs in California have engineered a disastrous deregulation and privatization scheme.

First sentence in and I already found the problem.

Snooppy · 11-20-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoss

Sometimes I think there's hope for you. I got it and appreciated it for what it was if that makes you feel any better.

meh.

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Then they should have thought about that 15-20 years ago, eh? We're talking about real solutions versus band aids.

Who is "they" exactly? Because this goes beyond just California.

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The biggest obstacle to desalination isn't infrastructure, given that Cali is actually pretty fucking close to a salt water source, those costs aren't too bad. They don't have to build the plants in the desert, they can build them on the coast and use the same lines they have to build anyway to pump the potable water to the desert.

That would be a great solution if the pipelines/aqueducts currently bringing water to the arid areas were oriented the same way as the pipelines for desalinized water. They don't build them on rotating mounts, so they're not going to be just spun around at some point in the future. Couple that with the fact that those pipelines/aqueducts are likely going to still be in use, you won't be able to run them over capacity to take on the new supply. So this "previously existing" infrastructure is bunk.

And of course the plants have to go on the coast.... where the fuck else are they going to get the saltwater from? Or were you thinking some giant super-pump might be involved?

My argument has nothing to do with enviromentalists. It has to do with preparation and timelines. There are vast areas on the east coast now with saltwater contaminated groundwater because of over-use and draw down. This isn't just a California problem, but it very prominent in the state... and yet, you drive around Palm Springs and every gated community has some vast artificial waterfall out front and an array of sprinklers keeping the graas nice and green.

Hoss · 11-20-2009, 06:03 PM

Yes Vain, sometimes they pump the seawater inland and put the desal plants in the actual area where the water is needed. Not such a strange concept. Actually, if you're using aquaducts, its probably much better to pump raw water through it and clean it up when it gets to its destination. Cause those things must be fucking filthy.

icKx · 11-20-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

... and yet, you drive around Palm Springs and every gated community has some vast artificial waterfall out front and an array of sprinklers keeping the grass nice and green.

Don't forget golf courses. They use an astronomical amount of water and produce nothing of value.

Step one to funding this desalinization project is to tax them and their short-sighted clientele.

Snooppy · 11-20-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoss

Yes Vain, sometimes they pump the seawater inland and put the desal plants in the actual area where the water is needed. Not such a strange concept. Actually, if you're using aquaducts, its probably much better to pump raw water through it and clean it up when it gets to its destination. Cause those things must be fucking filthy.

That's the only rebuttal you have? GG!

Hoss · 11-20-2009, 06:21 PM

What needs to be rebutted? I'm not even sure what you're arguing about? Are you talking about the paper water, or just railing about how much desalination sucks? You're all over the map, frankly.

Meta · 11-20-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kin Meds tbh

Haven't had chance to watch the news yet but parts of the UK got the highest raindfall ever last night - bridges fell, people died etc.

There'll still be a hosepipe ban in the summer. I heard all our water gets stolen by asylum seekers!

Phrozen · 11-20-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Meta

all our water gets stolen by asylum seekers

This is true.