A history Lesson in the Successes of Gun Control! - Page 3

SillyMonkey · 07-16-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.

Do you value your freedom?

No offense, but has got to be the most IDIOTIC thinkg I've heard in some time.

Does a gun give the ability to provide for your family? Does a gun vote for how this country's run? Does a gun allow you to enjoy freedom? Does a gun make you a man? Not by a long shot, Junior. Guns were designed for the sole purpose of massive damage at range. Destruction. It's a weapon, nothing more nothing less.

A gun doesn't "make" you a citizen. Standing up for what's right doesn't take a weapon, it take something stronger and more powerful than a gun. Any ass can be tough with a gun.

Lack of a gun doesn't make you a "subject". You're a victim if you choose to be one. I've been trained to do as much lasting damage as a gun can, if not more, to another human with my body. But if I'm not packing, I'm still a "subject"? The lack of ability to fight back, to stand for what's right doesn't come from lack of a weapon, it comes from lack of character or resolve.

Rinion, you need some life experience before you go spouting extremist garbage like this. Ever been held at gunpoint? Ever lost a loved one to a bullett? Ever been on the far side of a DMZ wondering if you're gonna last the night, if you have what it ACTUALLY TAKES to gun another human being down, even in defense of self? And before you ask, yeah I have, 2 outta the 4 listed.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to an opinion. You do cause that what this country's all about. But for gods sakes man, if you're gonna have one, have an educated opinion not some Michigan Militia, NRA, rhetoric spouted crap like what you posted.

Oopo · 07-16-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

Shrug, Im sure Iran wants them to deter invasion just as much as any other country with them does. Your retarded if you think any country in this day and age would use Nukes, the consequences are complete annihilation of said country.

We all know they hate the state of israel (For their own reasons) but if you think they would allow themselves to be wiped clean as a country for the sake of killing some jews, your nuts.

I don't believe Iran has the balls to launch a nuke itself either. But they are known to be friendly with terrorist groups. What happens when they "accidentally" lose a nuke and it comes into the hands of terrorists? If they perform suicide bombings on a regular basis what's to stop them from nuking millions of people?

You were wrong as soon as you made the assumption we're dealing with rational people.

Morara · 07-16-2007, 09:37 PM

The question is: what percentage of gun violence is done by people with legally purchased guns?

Considering that the Crips, Bloods, and other crime organizations most certainly don't go to Joe's Gun Shack and wait 5 days for a weapon, how much of an impact would gun control laws actually have?

Sure, there's nutjobs who buy guns and then end up shooting coworkers, their spouse, or others, but how many of them are there compared to all the ones with illegitimately acquired guns?

I can name a lot of people (myself included) who have legal firearms, and legal CCW permits, who have never killed anyone, or never killed anyone outside of the line of duty, but nearly every person I knew with a gun they got off the street ended up in jail for armed robbery or worse.

Khalan · 07-16-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oopo

I don't believe Iran has the balls to launch a nuke itself either. But they are known to be friendly with terrorist groups. What happens when they "accidentally" lose a nuke and it comes into the hands of terrorists? If they perform suicide bombings on a regular basis what's to stop them from nuking millions of people?

You were wrong as soon as you made the assumption we're dealing with rational people.

If you think they would somehow lose nukes, that wouldnt be traced back to them your on crakc. Even the remotest hint they came from iran would spark the same retaliation as if they had launched them themselves.

Letum · 07-16-2007, 10:53 PM

I think Iran and North Korea are the 2 most likely countries to launch a nuke if they had access to one. Whether or not they would actually do it is pretty impossible to know, unless of course you can see into the future.

Gun control doesn't work unless criminals don't have access to guns, it's been said already, most criminals don't get their weapons legally in the first place, so it wouldn't make much of difference by way of minimizing crimes involving guns imo.

Oopo · 07-17-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

If you think they would somehow lose nukes, that wouldnt be traced back to them your on crakc. Even the remotest hint they came from iran would spark the same retaliation as if they had launched them themselves.

I may not be an expert on nuclear bombs, but I don't think they leave many hints of where they originated after they explode. And if Saddam can convince the world he didn't have WMD's after everyone knew he had WMD's, I'm not going to underestimate middle easterner's sneakyness.

Letum · 07-17-2007, 12:10 AM

Very very sneaky.

Ethar · 07-17-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oopo

I may not be an expert on nuclear bombs, but I don't think they leave many hints of where they originated after they explode. And if Saddam can convince the world he didn't have WMD's after everyone knew he had WMD's, I'm not going to underestimate middle easterner's sneakyness.

You know man, at this point I really have to think that, depending on the administration, even if we didn't know for sure, we'd be told that we knew who did it and retaliate as such.

Panthera · 07-17-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

Shrug, Im sure Iran wants them to deter invasion just as much as any other country with them does. Your retarded if you think any country in this day and age would use Nukes, the consequences are complete annihilation of said country.

We all know they hate the state of israel (For their own reasons) but if you think they would allow themselves to be wiped clean as a country for the sake of killing some jews, your nuts.

You are wrong.

Different cultures have different beliefs. In some cultures, it is a divine right to exterminate unbelievers even if the consequence is their own death. The whole suicide bombing thing and targeting innocent women and children is foreign to us but makes perfect sense to extremists. Having the ability to annihilate Israel and not doing it would be a grave sin.

Morara · 07-17-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikke

I think Iran and North Korea are the 2 most likely countries to launch a nuke if they had access to one. Whether or not they would actually do it is pretty impossible to know, unless of course you can see into the future.

Gun control doesn't work unless criminals don't have access to guns, it's been said already, most criminals don't get their weapons legally in the first place, so it wouldn't make much of difference by way of minimizing crimes involving guns imo.

China is technically friends with North Korea, but don't think for a second that they wouldn't flatten NK in an instant if they launched a nuke unprovoked. It'd be win/win for China. They'd show off their military might and be heroes to the world, increasing their bargaining power in world politics and trade.