Panthera

It is used to illustrate contrast of starkly opposing views that fail to recognize any middle ground.

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Illuminator

And what if there is no middle ground that needs to be recognized?

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HA HA fuck you, Roger. And don't vote for Obama.

LFG

This situation to me and people such as Illuminator is like being "kind of" pregnant.

You are or you aren't, there is no middle ground.

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Panthera

That wasn't the point.

Having said that, few things in this world are pure black and white. In most matters, there is always grey and compromise. I say most.

You can't really compromise with gravity, for example.

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LFG

When you mix blue paint and yellow paint, you get green paint.

When you go into a store and steal a pack of gum, you are a thief, whether you like the sound of that name when it's applied to you or not.

Green can exist legally on the spectrum between blue and yellow.

But on the spectrum of right and wrong, you either are a child molestor or thief, or you aren't. There is no gray or compromise for those activities.

So I disagree that most things in this world include a valid position of grey or compromise.

Instead, most things are one OR the other, good OR evil, right OR wrong. The minority of things in this world can properly exist at a point BETWEEN polar opposites. The majority of things ARE either black or white, right OR wrong.

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Calthine

Wow. Helluva worldview you got there.

I completely disagree with you.

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Panthera

Just like your pregnancy example, this is a matter of fact not opinion.


Child Molestor: If you are 1 minutes older than 18 and have sex with a girl 1 minutes younger than 18 you can be convicted of statutory rape. No matter the circumstances, history or other relavant pieces of information, you have, in fact, molested a child. Would you still consider them on par with the pedophile that stores reams of child porn and seduces 10 and 12 year olds?

And we can play this game all day, by the way. Thief? Suppose you are stealing the cure to a disease for a loved one that you could not otherwise afford? Stealing food to feed your family. Killer? All killing is bad, right? There can not be middle ground right? Killing is either right OR wrong. And we of course know this is an absurd absolutism.

Nonetheless, it isn't the rightness or wrongness of RMT that is being questioned. It is simply the broadness of the brush you are painting everyone, no matter the tenuousness of the relationship.

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LFG

Like I said, I'm going to back off from the criminal inferences, mostly so Calthine doesn't hate me. I'd rather not ruin that friendship.

But you want broadness? Ok, try this:

If I worked for an Affinity Media company and played EQ2, I think I'd take lessons in Chinese, so I could get to know my co-workers better in game.

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LFG

I disagree, and view your examples as attempts to defy common sense using language. In my stealing example, I specifically used "pack of gum." I did not suggest it would be improper to steal the cure for cancer, or food if you were starving to death. I recognize those would be valid exceptions. But there are more *valid* circumstances where stealing is wrong than it is proper. How many times per day do you believe someone attempts to steal the cure for cancer? Let me help you out with the answer: it is zero times per day. But millions of times per day around the world, someone attempts to steal from someone in an illicit manner.

But they are not exceptions that apply in this thread, at all. IGE isn't a benevolent organization, it doesn't do research to stop world wide cancer or starvation. It exists to make money through a vertical network of farmers to fansites.

Let's avoid the petty linguistics examples please, and call things what they are. A thief is a thief, unless they are justified by the law in their attempt to steal. But that is an extremely rare circumstance, and one that doesn't apply in this thread, at all.

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Panthera

I'm using language to back up my point of view that the world is made up of far more grey and "in betweens" than it is absolutes. For just about every example of an absolutism, I can give you a scenerio in which the "wrong" is actually "right."

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