LFG

The fact is, if the IRS investigated their practices, I'm pretty sure they'd find a number of violations of US law regarding money laundering and tax evasion, based on failing to account for money entering and leaving the US, and failing to issue 1099's to plat farmers and those who sell them virtual property in RMT transactions. And that allows those farmers to keep that income without reporting it to the IRS or ever paying taxes on it. Yes, in my opinion, I think all of this could support a massive RICO investigation by the US Department of Justice.

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Snark

you said yourself just 20 minutes ago, talk without proof is cheap

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RadarX

Sorry Cal...please don't take this personally because it's not directed at you.
Feel free to smack me for it, but I can't hold it in. Just remember Kiara will probably hurt me already....

It's amazing to me, I had to basically be TOLD who actually owned IGE and Zam a month ago but now that they've sold IGE it's "Oh look at us we're squeaky clean now."

Fact: OGaming was not profitable at the end of 2005. I overheard whoever was running it at the time telling another fansite rep in San Diego. Where was the funding coming from?

Fact: IGE has never been upfront about who owns them...ever. I've seen nothing in the way of announcement other than they've sold IGE. As LFG stated...they did, but it was a DBA/Subsidiary anyways. What changed? Yantis owns it now, so what? Does he work for Affinity?

Now there is tons of speculation behind this move ranging from Yantis getting back into the game to Affinity wanting to clean up their image. I still call a sheep a sheep and a wolf a wolf. I applaud their effort to clean things up but I remain unconvinced.

Just my worthless $0.02 (which as stated is worth about $0.005 around here.

Illuminator

It's too bad you're a dude, because that's some of the sexiest shit I ever heard.

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I guess I'll just never understand how you can blanket such a negative and hurtful slant on the people that have enough passion about this game to write community content and guides and walkthroughs and create communities that really help the game immensely. I used to use ogaming daily for eq2, and now I use allakhazam daily for FFXI. Your only evidenced objection are the owners to these fansites, and yet there were people working on them before the new ownership that you recklessly throw under the mafia bus for creating content under a bloody paycheck or some bullshit. You need a huge reality check if you think theres some huge IRS throwdown in the future. It's just common sense that these companies employ real people and offer a real business niche that too often primary markets choose to ignore. And while I will never understand your enthusiasm and hatred for these companies (and overzealous analogies), I can say with confidence that your glory days of "untainted" fansites and massive government take-downs will never come to fruitiion.

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Calthine

Actually, Radar, no one ever said "We're sqeeky clean now". Allah said (I quoted in my OP) that it was pretty irrelevant since we never had anything to do with them. I was just posting here 'cause I take a lot of crap about the alleged affiliation.

I was really expecting a teeny bit more respect for the news, as folks on this site tend to prefer proof over wild speculation. I gave you what I got. LFG, the burden of the proof is on YOU that it was just name-shuffling. Otherwise that's just a really snifty tinfoil hat, hon.

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Calthine

Oh yeah. I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but my understanding is that IGE was losing money hand over fist, hence the sale.

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RadarX

That's fair. They aren't saying what I indicated, so my apologies for it. I just found it unusual as many times as IGE has been shuffled around that now an announcement is made about it.

I'm not looking for black helicopters or microchips in the hand, I'm just a little skeptical. I know you are just passing along what you know, so like I said this isn't directed at you.

LFG

If you are going to insult me and infer that I'm guilty of wild speculation and wearing a tin foil hat, then back at you. Where is your proof that any sale of IGE occured, AT ALL?

You infer that you are reporting news. Any reporter with a high school correspondence course diploma in journalism wouldn't report an event as truth based on a one paragraph announcement by a poster named "Alakhazam Defender of Justice" on a fan site. No, I'm pretty sure a real reporter wouldn't say something like that unless they at least had a press release from the buyer or the seller.

But:

1. There is no press release from Affinity Media regarding this alleged sale of IGE, is there?

Lemme get this straight: You are saying I can't prove what I'm saying, and the burden is on me to prove what I've said in this thread, yet

you started this thread as a claim that Affinity Media sold IGE, but you have no proof of that?

You can't prove IGE was sold by Affinity. All you've got is a cryptic post on the Allakhazam website by a guy named "Allakhazam Defender of Justice". Do you expect us to believe you based on that "evidence"? And even if that "sale" did occur, what did it involve?

2. And hold up, why doesn't Affinity Media even have a working web site?

Maybe I'm just funny this way, but if I was a media company, I'd prolly have a web site.

http://www.affinitymedia.com/

Perhaps Alakhazam can loan it's parent Affinity a web page or two till they get back on their feet.

3. And speaking of facts and truth, just Google IGE Yantis Affinity, and other keywords relevant to your wild rumor about Affinity selling IGE. Here's a good snapshot of the general consensus:


http://www.f13.net/?itemid=555

You can find a ton of information through Google on IGE, Affinity Media, and Yantis, among some of the other sordid individuals involved.

In about ten minutes, you can get a good understanding about the facts and individuals involved in the history of IGE and Affinity Media.

The FoH site includes information from when IGE issued a press release in 2004 after it purchased mysupersales.com from Yantis for $10 million dollars. Yantis was appointed to IGE's board of directors and made an officer of IGE when that happened. Last I checked he still was.

And also the last time I checked, the other infamous and notorious individuals (including Brock Pierce) who owned IGE also owned Affinity Media. There are numerous mentions on the internet from ex-Affinity Media employees who reference Affinity as "formerly IGE" in resumes and elsewhere. That's your employer, "formerly IGE", seeking to lose the stigma associated with IGE, without losing the income stream it provides.

I don't have access to your employer's corporate documents to prove or disprove whether Affinity actually sold IGE and to whom. Your employer has that information, not me. And based on their history as the underbelly of the MMO industry, I wouldn't trust any of beyond how far I could throw them.

I don't owe proof in this matter to anyone. You are the person who came here seeking to prove your employer is legitimate, yet you've offered zero evidence to do so.

Until you provide that proof, I win and you lose. Allakazam is still owned by the same sleazebags who own Affinity Media and who still own IGE. This latest shell game and playing hide the potato with IGE once more convinces me now more than ever that the same original sleazebags are all still involved, and you can't prove otherwise.

I'm sorry Calthine, but you lay with the dogs, and you gonna get fleas. You cannot continue claiming innocence and a Betty Crocker public image while you take a paycheck from those people.

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