Miroh

Easy program designed to remember key strokes? Like Ghostmouse I am guessing but for keystrokes.

I fail to see how a macro to remember mouse movement (Ghost Mouse) would explain the 11111's being entered.

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Rinion

really? what is this UI called?

That UI would explain this all.

A looped macro to hit enter and use durability hot key with that UI does make sence.

Link please of UI download, I'd like to take it apart and see whats inside!

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Miroh

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sompet

I created one for myself from the default one because I didn't found a good key setup for me (rename the attached file to xml) It assigns enter for create, begin and repeat and esc for cancel and stop.

The first few non-obselote in the TS UI mod list also contains some key bindings: EQ2Interface : Tradeskill window

Attached Files

eq2ui_tradeskills.xml.txt (46.3 KB, 8 views)

Rinion

I was thinking something similar...

looks solid, don't have an active eq2 account or I'd test it. If the start key is changed from enter to about anyhting else that would be alot less detectable, because their would be no /gu 111111111111111 spam or the like.

using this with nostromo or other devices/program that has an auto repeat function this very well could be used to bot, provided they kept tons of materials on them since it wont go buy anything for you.


hmm.. well i guess if you mapped it well enough it could periodicly buy things, but it can't detect when your low on supplies..

anyway. Because such things as nostromo exist Sony needs to re-evaluate crafting big time.

My suggestion to sony would be to make items easier to master and become trival much faster and make exp gain based more off the xp gained from doing work orders.

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hcre

I created my own custom UI, but got sick of fixing it after every patch and just use the generic UI now. In the generic UI I have it set up so enter is also a mouse click. Not sure how I did it, but I think it can be done in the options window, will look into it later.

No, enter is the activation key for starting to craft a each new item. The nostromo has buttons and gadgets all over it, but you must push something on the nostromo to activate any macros it uses. The macro hits enter above the repeat button, and then enter above the begin button, thus starting a new attempt at item creation.


Again, I have not used my nostromo for a while, but I doubt they have changed much. The nostromo has both a recorder and the ability to generate your own macro. You can even use record to generate a macro and then edit it, but this is really messy and completely ill advised. I am a computer scientist by degree and trade, and I found trying to edit a recorded macro to be so much of a nightmare I just generated my own without recording.

Generating a new macro isn’t that easy either. If you look through the manual it looks easy and robust and able to do all kinds of cool things, then you notice you have strayed into the Mac users section.

If you are not that savvy record is definitely the way to go, but has one drawback, it can’t record mouse clicks. If you can do what you want without mouse clicks then you are golden with record.

The only thing I tried to use it for in EQ2 was to have a macro for when I am MA, which is quite often. I hate that using the in game macro you can’t use /assist MT with next line /ra Assist me on %t now, because the %t will process before the /assist has finished processing. So I tried to use the nostromo to create a macro to do just that. But having it type all that out takes it way to long, and if you make the delay between keystrokes shorter they get jumbled up with each other, hit anything while the nostromo is processing it and you get all kinds of crazy results. The only way it was possible was to create two macros in the game one for /assist MT and one for calling people in with %t and have the nostromo hit them with a delay between. But it is just as easy for me to do that myself since it is only two keystrokes, and I have better control if I do it myself. This is why I don’t really care that the nostromo doesn’t work with 64bit OS. I still use it for FPS games, and RTS games occasionally on my other machine.

Rinion

you should probably read everything that came after those 3 quotes.

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gm9

What's the news, that computers can automate things?

Good point on the MA %t macro delay issue though, something to add into ProfituI (which also supports one-button crafting).

hcre

On mine enter opens chat if not above a button, might also have to not be above a window, not sure. My default chat is set to /say so if I made the macro he did, and my mouse strayed from the button for whatever reason, I would start saying 1111111111111111 in /say without ever having to type /say.

Provisioners don’t really use much per combine, nor do they really care if the result is pristine, thus making them ideal for this type of botting. You could easily buy and hold enough to do say 500 combines, and assuming the rest of your bags were large and empty, you could technically craft for a full day without ever being there using this.

Getting it to macro buying supplies would be a complete nightmare using the nostromo. Technically possible, but you would display enough strange behavior trying to get it to work right that someone would get suspicious and report you.

The nostromo is small potatoes compared to the other things out there, some of which are free. Further the nostromo has been around long before EQ2. I have been looking into it ever since I found out people are using bots to manipulate the broker and unfortunately there is really nothing SOE can do to stop it. The coding for the bots actually look for color combinations on the screen to know where they need to go and what they need to do. So shy of completely redoing the color scheme once a week or so, there really is nothing SOE can do. I suspect that the announced tradeskill revamp is an attempt to curb some of the botting though, at least for a week or so.

The real problem IMO is they have made crafting so easy to level with the writs that using a macro to level tradskills is just stupid. Because of this I suspect the creators of the crafting macros are loosing business, and indeed one of the two closed down not to long ago but the other picked up all of its subscribers. The remaining one has branched out by making bots to manipulate the market much more robust and even creating a macro to play the giggle gibber lotto game for you.

The only way to curb it is to have coding placed in the game where if you seem to be doing the same thing over and over again for a random period of say between 15 mins and 2 hours, that the game flashes up one of those boxes with letters and numbers drawn all differently in different fonts and skewed differently then ask you to type the letters and numbers you see, failure to do so in a timely manner and you should have some serious splannin to do. This might be annoying, but I would suffer through it if it stops all the botters.