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Old 01-15-2007, 08:29 PM  
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My contention is that SOE never has, and never will, go after buyers. Therefore, such a scheme as LFG posits, one where there is irrefutable public evidence a seller was banned for the act of selling, would never occur for it would force SOE to turn a blind eye or investigate/ban a portion of it subscription base of normal players.
I'm not suggesting that SoE go after buyers, although I applaud Sigil for saying they will do that.

Me setting up a massive EQ2 sting operation, where I make an identity as a PlayerAuction regular, get positive feedbacks, then buy small quantities of plat on all or most servers, would be direct and irrefutable evidence that the accounts selling me the plat had violated SoE's ToS and game rules by selling it.

SoE has the ability to track one plat - each coin is individually coded with a number, and the path it takes can be traced from the moment it was first earned.

SoE customer service is EXTREMELY experienced in these matters, and has reversed decisions in the past where innocent player accounts were banned after being involved in a transaction with a bot or plat seller. But I'm not talking about any of that here at all. What I'm talking about is much simpler.

The largest plat sellers maintain multiple accounts on each server. My plan would to be to make several buys over the course of a week from many of the same ones, on both the evil and good sides, since they keep toons with plat ready to go on each side. This would net the largest number of different accounts, and would largely shut down the EQ2 secondary market for a time if all those accounts and *directly* associated accounts were banned at once.

What SoE could do is a small amount of additional research on its end to determine who the banned accounts had recently OBTAINED coin from. The shuffling of coin between these seller toons is significant, and they try to keep plat spread out between multiple accounts to minimize risk. But while doing that, they also create an evidence chain between those accounts. With irrefutable proof of an account selling plat for dollars, SoE could make the call on where to draw the line.

I'm not suggesting that SoE do a complete purge that might include actual player accounts. I'm merely suggesting that they allow me or someone like me to try and catch actively selling accounts, then trace transactions between those accounts and the bot/farmer accounts that handed them the same coin.

One thing you apparently believe is that IGE and other leading members of the MMO gold mafia still buy plat from players. They did in the past, but pretty much stopped doing that a while back. They don't need to buy coin from players any longer - they get all they need from their own farmers and agents these days. The MMO gold mafia is a vertical industry, and the large companies handle everything in house, from farming to sales. The "street level" sweep I suggest would only take in and eliminate accounts and coin held by leading plat sellers on every server.

Desperate times call for new ideas and creative solutions. MMO companies recruit players as volunteer forum moderators, advisors, guides, class leaders, and for many other purposes. A MMO company cannot get away with doing what I can legally do, and am willing to do, as a volunteer, for no charge except reimbursement of proven expenses authorized in advance.
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Old 01-15-2007, 08:40 PM  
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I think it is a great idea and would be all for it. I just don't think SOE would be willing to take the "Well you know who the sellers are why aren't you going after the buyers?" heat. Once they have confirmed "sell coin to player" bots in hand, it would be a legitimate question that part of the community would ask. I for one would because I think RMTs on non-exchange servers lead to a degraded gaming experience.
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Old 01-16-2007, 05:02 AM  
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They don't need to shuffle much, anymore. The shared guild bank is the best thing that ever happened to plat sellers.

In order for this to work, SOE would also have to disband the guilds the sellers are in.
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:53 AM  
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Existing content makes no effort through thoughtful design to mitigate the predatory habits of Chinese plat pharmers (referred to here as "Assholes").

Contested heroic nameds gleefully respawn from one Asshole kill to the next, and make no preference between someone who needs the named for a quest and someone who is just simply an Asshole. They have minimal or no difficulty and are easily soloable by Assholes; and they reward Assholes with master spells, tradeable legendary loot, and spell rares.

In an MMORPG, why should a solo Asshole ever have higher achievement capability (whether wealth or otherwise) than a group of players? It's like a marriage penalty of sorts.

Progression applies to ALL content, not just raids.

Now, you have other plat pharmers who take a more discreet route that isn't as easily prosecuted. They multibox and use 3rd party macro programs, but only in their own private heroic instances, and still making healthy income. How are they doing this? Because the instances are so easy and require no simultaneous inter-player coordination. I'd like to see a run-of-the-mill Asshole multibox Nizara or Castle Mistmoore fresh after reaching level 70.

The game is too fucking easy if people can just multibox.
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:55 PM  
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Default Re: Offer to SoE: I'll deliver 100 plat sellers in 1 week

LFG, I had an answer on EQII forums that sadly got deleted for this.

My solution was simple: Invite the player base to do the investigation for them, set up the sting operations, and for everyone 1 account they help get banned, give out status, points or whatever. If they accumulate 10 accounts banned, hand out a title or an in game item.

Everyone wins that way. The player base gets to really see that their work is paying off, you won't get spammed with unwanted tells, and SoE won't have to worry about hiring the manpower to do the work. We'd do it for them. All they would have to do is come up with an appropriate reward for our work.

There are hundreds of websites out there that advertise their plat selling on non exchange servers. All you would simply have to do is type in the right combination of words in Google to look it up. They're not thinking this through correctly. Attack the selling at the source - go after the websites. If they make it difficult to find plat, the buying will dwindle down, and so will the selling.

I'm actually ticked off that the thread I posted this in was deleted. Thanks for giving it the attention, LFG. You're one of the good ones. =)
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Old 01-16-2007, 06:34 PM  
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Master spells should never be dropping from soloable content. That is the first thing that must be fixed.
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Master spells should never be dropping from soloable content. That is the first thing that must be fixed.
I agree 100%
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:37 PM  
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They shouldn't much be dropping from single group content, let alone soloable. Group stuff should be legendary class..so maybe have them drop the rares needed to make adept 3's, but Masters are Fabled and should drop with other fabled loot -- off raid encounters.
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They shouldn't much be dropping from single group content, let alone soloable. Group stuff should be legendary class..so maybe have them drop the rares needed to make adept 3's, but Masters are Fabled and should drop with other fabled loot -- off raid encounters.
ding ding, maybe you should go work for SOE, since they don't get the message
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:51 AM  
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I interviewed in 2000 when they were still Verant. I wasn't hired. C'est la vie.
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