Kudos points?

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

This site, I believe, uses the same format as another one I post on and they had these "kudos points" program.

Example: If someone said something that you agree with, or if they said something that you like, you can award them "Kudos Points" for that particular post for what they said.

On the flip side, though, if someone said something you don't agree with, you can place a negative point on them.

Is there any way you can put something like that here?

[Nurta]

Yeah most vBulletin boards I visit and one I ran for my guild had a rep system. It's a mod that is easy to implement and can be found on vB's forums. It's fun too, as there are things you can do like allow or not allow people to see anon rep hits based on their rep or number of posts....it gets interesting when people whine :D

[LFG]

Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

This site, I believe, uses the same format as another one I post on and they had these "kudos points" program.

Example: If someone said something that you agree with, or if they said something that you like, you can award them "Kudos Points" for that particular post for what they said.

On the flip side, though, if someone said something you don't agree with, you can place a negative point on them.

Is there any way you can put something like that here?

Here's my thought on that.

The poster rating system is already built into the vanilla version of this software. I've disabled it.

One thing I hated most about the SoE forums was the post rating system there. I felt it was used in a terroristic fashion by many to grief people. I remember one time getting into an argument with someone and the next day seeing that someone had negative rated about my last 300 posts lol, which dropped my poster rating from the highest level down 2 or 3 full levels. I greatly supported them removing that system, and hated it.

I expect what will happen to some extent on this board is that we will get groups of people who tend to think alike, maybe they are in the same guild, or are hardcore raiders, or are NGD-type posters. When one of those posters says anything, someone from the opposite camp will say something in opposition to that, then both sides will jump in and support their boy. My point is, why even have a rating system on a board like this, because the same people will "max rate" and "min rate" the same other people in each and every post they make.

Does that really accomplish anything or cause unneeded problems? I just think that rating people secretly is kind of poosae, you should say what you think of people to their face rather than anonymously to the greatest extent possible.

The only person I've seen post on these boards so far that I'd expect would get the "Mother Teresa" level rating would be Calthine, who almost always posts only useful infomation and as helpful, well informed person, pretty much in a help desk sort of way. You gotta believe that most of the rest of us would be in the negative ratings, since those rating systems inspire more people to leave negative ratings about people than positive ones. And if that happens, then pretty much all of us will look like assholes except Calthine. Are you well adjusted enough to handle that? I'm not sure if I am. :smiley-happy:

I'd rather not enable the rating system. However, if a fair number of people posted here that it would really enhance their enjoyment of this site, I'd go ahead and put up a poll, and let all users decide by majority vote. I've lost polls here before, for example on which skin to set as the default, the red or the blue. I continue to use the blue myself, but did change the default to red after most people indicated that preference.

[3devious]

It would be funny if we did have the rating system, but everyone would be capped at 2 out of 5. That way we definitely would all look like assholes.

Better still, don't put the rating system in, say you did, but give us all 1's.

The specualtion and paranoia would be hysterical.

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

Originally Posted by LFG

Here's my thought on that.

The poster rating system is already built into the vanilla version of this software. I've disabled it.

One thing I hated most about the SoE forums was the post rating system there. I felt it was used in a terroristic fashion by many to grief people. I remember one time getting into an argument with someone and the next day seeing that someone had negative rated about my last 300 posts lol, which dropped my poster rating from the highest level down 2 or 3 full levels. I greatly supported them removing that system, and hated it.

I expect what will happen to some extent on this board is that we will get groups of people who tend to think alike, maybe they are in the same guild, or are hardcore raiders, or are NGD-type posters. When one of those posters says anything, someone from the opposite camp will say something in opposition to that, then both sides will jump in and support their boy. My point is, why even have a rating system on a board like this, because the same people will "max rate" and "min rate" the same other people in each and every post they make.

Does that really accomplish anything or cause unneeded problems? I just think that rating people secretly is kind of poosae, you should say what you think of people to their face rather than anonymously to the greatest extent possible.

The only person I've seen post on these boards so far that I'd expect would get the "Mother Teresa" level rating would be Calthine, who almost always posts only useful infomation and as helpful, well informed person, pretty much in a help desk sort of way. You gotta believe that most of the rest of us would be in the negative ratings, since those rating systems inspire more people to leave negative ratings about people than positive ones. And if that happens, then pretty much all of us will look like assholes except Calthine. Are you well adjusted enough to handle that? I'm not sure if I am. :smiley-happy:

I'd rather not enable the rating system. However, if a fair number of people posted here that it would really enhance their enjoyment of this site, I'd go ahead and put up a poll, and let all users decide by majority vote. I've lost polls here before, for example on which skin to set as the default, the red or the blue. I continue to use the blue myself, but did change the default to red after most people indicated that preference.

I get what you're saying, and thanks for the reply. Yeah, I guess some people would abuse it. Some good could come out of it, though, and in a way, almost be held accountable for being a retard.

Plus, who wouldn't like a pat on the back once in a while?

[LFG]

Honestly, I can see a kudos point thing working on an informational board, a happy talk board, whatever, but on a flames board? I think it would just create trouble and misery.

Of course, I'm always open to suggestion and being overruled by a majority vote of the community, if enough people indicate a desire for such a vote.

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

Originally Posted by LFG

Honestly, I can see a kudos point thing working on an informational board, a happy talk board, whatever, but on a flames board? I think it would just create trouble and misery.

Of course, I'm always open to suggestion and being overruled by a majority vote of the community, if enough people indicate a desire for such a vote.

I consider this still a "young" site, yet. We may yet develop to the point where we can have this. You bring up a valid point, LFG.*nod*

[Nurta]

LFG I think you're more than correct in assuming it could be abused and no doubt it probably would be to some extent. I would like to outline how this rating system is implemented at forum I frequent far too much. It was quite nasty for a few weeks there but when people realized the worth it changed and so did they. Anyway it's goes something like this.


The amount or value of the rep hit one gives is a direct reflection on that person's rep total. If I have a negative rep or 0 rep I can't even affect someone else's rep. Nor, can someone give rep if they don't have (x) number of posts b/c really you don't want people giving rep who don't contribute to your forum so you can set a number requirement. Another nifty feature is to reward your most prolific posters who contribute the most to your community by allowing them to see who is giving them rep hits. B/C people can annonymously rep hit. Also an admin can remove the rep hit if it was just beyond childish or dumb or a clear/blatant abuse and it doesn't affect that poster's value.

I think the value is in seeing who is actually leaving you the rep and it's an achievement to reach that goal b/c it means you're really participating in the community. So at this forum the poster must have been a registered member for (x) amount of time, have (x) number of posts, and have (x) amount of rep to see who is dinging them. So what keeps people from padding their post count with trash posts? Another nifty thing about vbulletin is the ability to make posts in particular forums not count to overall post total. So if someone is just spamming and not really contributing to a community they should not be rewarded for that....dump their posts in the trash and watch the post count fizzle.

Just a thought, it would be interesting with this divided group no doubt and it would add an interesting twist to things. Something else we toyed with was granting rep for people who had (x)number of referrals to the site. It's been in use now for a few years and it has finally started levelling out even people who hated eachother have gained enough respect and maturity to show appreciation for a good thought/post.

*tosses 2cp into the hat*

[LFG]

I like your suggestions Nurta and believe they could work and enhance the site. This could be fun and motivate people to contribute constructively. I hadn't thought about using all that rating stuff in the way you suggested. I've been a frequent participant on Internet flame boards since Usenet in 1992, but this is the first time I've ever been an admin or tried to use any of the software.

Just giving people the ability to see who rated them what would take all the anonymity out of the ratings, which was always my biggest problem with ratings.

I agree that vbulletin has the ability to do all this, but damn that sounds complicated, and it would take a long time to set up and administer.

That would be like tracking DKP for a guild I think, in terms of the ongoing effort, and would kind of own my time. I think someone else would need at least mod rights to set all that up and maintain it? I think I would be willing to give someone those rights, provided they never modded any posts or content for other reason, but only handled the rating part. Prolly the best way to figure out who could do that would be to take votes based on nominations from users.

Let me look into this later today and try and think of the best way to handle this.

[Nurta]

I think if you have access to vbulletin's forums you will find this very system already coded and can be copied and pasted into your code. I haven't run a vB site in about a year when I stopped being a guild leader but I recall finding lots of goodies others had already made for me. I also think once the system is in place the complexity is greatly diminished because setting it up is 90% of the work. The only thing needed from that point would be moving people to the appropriate groups when they attained the privvy's or helping to mediate disputes over idiots who abuse the system. If you're unsuccessful in finding any good info I can ask some others who created the system at the forum I visit b/c it's inifinitely more complex that the generic one I used out of the box with vB.