rockeater

Ok, there are a zillion posts everywhere on AA's. I'm happy with my fury tree choices - animalism tweaked the way i like to animal form, energy line tweaked the way i like it...and enough to branch over to hibernaton to bail out the mages i support from time to time with the reactive kinda proc thing it does.

But i keep switching back and forth on my druid tree. Our raid force sometimes needs me to be spec'd aoe avoid (for EH) and the rest of the zones int stacked for max dps seems the best choice. I don't wanna give up the stamina line - i like using serenity when i am stunned, I use serene symbol regularly while raiding, and who does not want 15.6% heal crit?

Are any other furies called upon to AOE avoid sometimes, but then expected to do some serious int line maxed out DPS other times? The respec's get expensive switching back and forth as often as i do depending on where I am heading to raid.

And why do we have the god awful charm calm garbage dump of 8 aa's to get to AOE avoid? No self respecting druid I know uses those abilities with any regularity. couldn't we at least get something useful on the way to AOE avoid, to make up for givinng away the int line dps.

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Widem

first and foremost i want to preface this by how much i hate the discussion of AA.

here is what i reply to you ''why not have your cake...and eat it to"?

as for heal crits...heal crits are %based heal amount over what your spell does. that being said druids have the smallest numerical heals. as a druid u will get less out of a heal crit than any other healer archtype. the logic behind this 50% of 100 = 50, 50% of 50 = 25 so the larger heal amounts get the larger boost. heal crits in and of themselves do not change your healing output by much.

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When specing to TS thats not the only useful ability. You need to max out wild regeneration. You get a better potential for healing with wild regeneration than you get with 15.6 heal crits.

so ultimately you can have Int line and you can have AGI line and still have better healing ability than being spec'd for heal crits. As far as serene symbol, do u really need this? there are plenty of other classes that can dispell things like damage shields another really isnt necessary.

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when they recently changed hibernation from 10% to 15% i respec'd to check it out thinking maybe it would have better application than previously. Well it didnt. Through out an entire zone of EH it force proc'd a grand total of 8 times. I can certainly see this being used to great effect in a heroic seting. However i do not see it being worth 8 aa for use in a raid setting because it rarely even procs.

rockeater

I guess it would not hurt me to try out int agi. I do have 8 dumped in wild regeneration. worst thing that would happen is i hate it and change it back in a week.

To me, it's worth the AA's to save my mages 8 extra deaths, because if they are heading south of 15% chances are they are in the process of croaking fast, but to each their own.

Thanks for the Int Agi suggestion. I usually get the dispell treah greenrot job, and we're starting with her tonight. I'll switch to test the agi int for tommorow night and see how i like it after 3-5 raids. then i'll find someone to take over the dispell Treah job before we head back to eh next week.

Fijiram

Sta sucks , you wont miss it.. seriously.. theres so many ways of avoiding a stun or just healing it through that theres no valid reason of getting it.

Ive been Agi/Int for the longest time.. sure immunity is not always a need but having it to avoid quick power tap or a stun/stifle then turning it off is a 2-3 sec deal and enhance dps of the whole grp is not a bad thing.
Iint is a must.. no discussion there.

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Widem

i would just like to point out that its not safe to assume that all of those procs were on mages.

mages don't die to AEs, if they do either they are being stupid or you are being stupid. The only way they ever die is if they pull agro. then its pretty much not a healing issue but an agro issue.

but 12,000damage being healed which most likely would have been healed neways in 2 sec for an 1 hour and 35 min of combat time....no thank u sir. coulda used an svd to the same effect.

boli

Personally I think the best Raid AA is sta/int.

STA has that handy ability to strip off damage shields (as well as work as a 0 power proc spell); sereneity has a short enough recast timer to make it useful and I prefer the heal crits over the wild regeneration.

When Furys need to heal 90% of the time its with directs where heal crits actually count for more than nothing... using regens will overwrite the Warden's who chances aere prob more heal speced than you would be :P If my group gets hit I stack my 3 group heals... else its pure directs on the raid using that heal crits have the most use.

I took the AGI line for a bit and tbh it annoyed the crap out of me... with a melee speced warden they are the business tho but a fury gimps themselves in comprison to swashies / wardens / bards who took AoE avoid. plus I dispised having to waste 8 AAs on the pathetic charm animal.

Mojitin

Eh, I have to disagree there. Bards are straying away from Blade Dance, and you can TS 5x more than they can Blade Dance, and more often than not in a raid setting you won't be grouped with a swash and never with a warden. Also, the power it costs to cast TS is far less than, say, a group cure and a group heal or two. In my experience I've found whether I have heal crits or not I'm still going to heal nearly the exact same amount, and I can't think of anything at the moment that requires me to heal "90% of the time" off the top of my head. Just my 2cp.

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boli

I never said "healing 90% of the time"... just "90% of the time when we *do* heal" fo me its's either been directs or a lifeburn.

I can see the obvious benifits with a warden but with a fury its less of a plus and more of a vain attempt to get into a situation where it might become half valueable.

Tho of course if you're in the melee group you will see more benefit from it but in a caster group it far more efficient to go sta/int.

Mojitin

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AricaJade

actually i use tshell no matter what group im in.
mt - everybody but the tank's standin with ya, so np
scout - (not in very much) yeah would be harder but they can take more hits anyway.
mage - theyre always ranged anyway, so stand in a clump. even with resists & bein ranged, ae's can still hit them HARD. mages need power to cast, power drain ae's r VICIOUS on mages. pop up tshell to save them from big dmg or power drain ae's. also saves a LOT of healin & power for u too

only sta i got is the dispell even though im popped in mt quite a bit, otherwise im agi/int with maxed spell crits. i used to have serenity & missed it for a while cause i was so used to it, but now that ive had tshell, id NEVER give it up. it saves me a lot so i dont HAVE to use serenity. just takes some practice on the timin with ae's but DEFINITELY worth it. who needs heal crits to keep up mages when u gotta ae avoid that prevents them from even bein hit so u dont HAVE to heal or worry bout gettin stuned or stifled from an ae

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