Originally Posted by Flica

Good suggestions but I am curious.

Infusion is supposed to proc on beneficial spells only. Whether its a group effect or not it seems (after casually testing) that it will only proc once no matter how many people the spell hits within your group. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong

However if what I am saying is, in fact true, then why not cast cures?

1s + casting haste doesnt make up for a group spell like hibernate or fae immo (+aa) or pact or even our group heal that takes 1.5s at base, cures only proc once and is a poor choice to proc infusion.

They are the shortest casting, fastest reuse spells that any priest class has.

See above.

If I am wrong then what you said makes sense.

I run with two sets of "raid" gear. I have a dps set and a heal set. However, even with the dps I only lose about 8 heal crit and 70 +healing.

In any case, I am putting up 2k-3k parses and occasionally spiking over 3k on some group encounter fights. The only time I focus on infusion is during the pauses between my main 2 nukes and main 2 DoTs. This is in the mage group with a troub, wizard, warlock, Conjy or Necro, Rogue or Assassin. I have about +400-500 spell damage and 50 crit.

Whats my advice?

Get your crit up, and get an illu in there.

Look at your gear first off. All your dps gear can be obtained through instances and does not have to be cloth.

If you want subpar dps gear , sure. (couple exceptions).

Attempt to get the 3 set bonus off the legendary set pieces for your fury that adds the +50 spell/heal amount and so fourth through the teirs on raids. You might have to sacrifice some of your WIS for INT but as long as your hovering around or over 10k power you should be fine for most fights.

Legendary set is alright but there's so much gear better than this that you could get its stupid. (Although the pants are decent).

About the power part, I wont disagree since you seem to not have an illu or your mythicals.

Secondly, Hit the training wall in Kunzar Jungle a couple dozen times so you get a good rotation going and a general idea of your dps potiential. The wall has enough hit points to give you an accurate reading of a raid trash mob. This will also give you the oppurtunity to switch out and exchange gear to see how they will effect your dps self buffed.

Good tip, but that wall will be a much longer fight than a trash mob.

Thirdly, a Wizard, Warlock, and Troubador will increase your dps substantially in the mage group. Wizards for Velium gift, Warlock for their proc chance increase, and Troub for POTM and Jester's primarily. Other classes that will help your dps on the raid include a monk (casting speed increase raid wide) and an Illy for Time compression if your lucky enough to get it. You need to work with these guildies and setup macros so that you can maximize your dps on raids.

If you ever get Jester's or TC I really dont know what to say. Sad?
And dont reglect your melee. Get your slashing up.. ask for melee procs from warlocks/wizzy/conj and melee the fucking thing. Our epic/mythicals hits pretty hard. (if your guild has dirges mythicals its even better).

Thirdly, if your in the mage group with no scouts except the troubador, don't waste your time on Fae Pyre or Fae Immoliation and watch for Velium gift and POTM to come up. Fae Immoliation takes a long time to cast and if you have no dps scouts in your group it pretty much becomes useless.

Wrong, enhance the fucking thing. its 1s and gives you good melee procs for yourself as well as infusion procs.

However, if you have mages that like to stand within 3m from the mob risking their necks on AEs and surviving then all the power to them but most mages swing once every 3-5 seconds which effectively increases their dps by what? 50? Since, IIRC, Fae Immoliation only procs off melee attacks.

Use your head and you won't die. Can you go melee the mob when wing beat is incoming? It should be pretty fucking simple. And guess how many dps an average proc off gear or buffs gives you? Less than 50, yep. It adds up.

Lastly, use your heroic oppurtunities whenever the effect is up. Its an instant cast ability that can be quickly used in rotation with all your damage spells and you will get the occasional 5 percent power increase off it every once in awhile.

/Agree. Queue it.

Also keep in mind the potions and other power items you can get. When I am raiding, I usually have the 4 +heal/spell crit potion on hand as well as Essence of Clarity potions. This and a constant supply of both hearts and shards along with my manastone help power alot. Along with the items Blue mentioned earlier in this post.

I would recommend staying away from your group regen or even your single target regen unless you are expecting an AE and need some icing on the cake as far as getting the bars to green again. In the time it takes you to cast Autumn's Kiss you can effectively cast Hibernate, Untamed, and pop your e-group heal (if needed) before any overlapping AEs, also remember thats 3 pops of infusion before the 1 you would get for Autumn's.

First off , how many mages in your group wear chokers? lol
Also, when an ae lands.. none of your group is tanking. So you have time to heal up b/c of how our group heals come up fast.

I would say the same with raid heals rolling to the MT or OT, use your burst's first (since they cast fast) to attempt to get him to green and use your ST regen to top off your heals or if the tank is still at the danger level.

Obviously.
Altho I have a theory about nuking harder to help out our fellow defiler... /grin.

I hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Flica

Thirdly, if your in the mage group with no scouts except the troubador, don't waste your time on Fae Pyre or Fae Immoliation and watch for Velium gift and POTM to come up. Fae Immoliation takes a long time to cast and if you have no dps scouts in your group it pretty much becomes useless. However, if you have mages that like to stand within 3m from the mob risking their necks on AEs and surviving then all the power to them but most mages swing once every 3-5 seconds which effectively increases their dps by what? 50? Since, IIRC, Fae Immoliation only procs off melee attacks..

Originally Posted by Chiksar

I also keep autumn's kiss up on anything but the easy trash i'm pushing parse on. truth is, hibernate is not enough for a real hit, and if autumns is running, hibernation is laid down, i have a higher percentage of chance to bail out a mage who gets agro if the tank gets it off them fast enough. its the difference between a mage with a red bar or two or a one shotted dead mage. My DPS is not more important than my group staying alive to do the heavy duty dps.

Originally Posted by valmourn

As far as AK goes, it kills the dps. Always keeping it up takes too long to cast and is usually overkill.

Originally Posted by Fijiram

Dps on trash is more around 4k+ now... we were able to do 3k (on the edge) in eof.
Also 400 dps from melee is a bit much if you're talking about a 3-4k parse.
If infusion is the highest on your list you either A) Have a really nice group setup for infusion or B) you're doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by Alluuvil

I am not sure where I am going wrong. I guess it is my spell order that is holding me back. I have experimented with differenyt spell orders but I can't seem to find one that consistently improves my dps. I rarely push 4k dps, 3.9k is my highest on a single encounter. I am generally getting 2.3k - 2.8k average zonewide dps on trash in VP. Often infusion is the highest on my list.

My spell crit is 74% and base damage is around 650. Grp make up is generally an illy, troub, wiz, ranger, conjurer.

Originally Posted by Fijiram