Chiksar

I've been raiding since dof, and historically i focused on being the best healer i could possibly be, more interested in disproving the folks who were always babbling that furies were substandard healers, not as good as wardens, blah blah blah. When the effects were cured and all the bars in the raid were green, I'd dps. As i progressed through EOF...Was able to do this and still do about 1200 on the zw. But i was mastered out with all my set gear and in general very well equipped for the t7.

I'm in a new guild and while i need to focus on my primary job, curing and healing, there is some expectation that my DPS increase. I've been running at an embarassing 800-1000 in most t8 zones and vp. There is another fury in the guild that is consistantly parsing in the 2K to 2500 range.

Maybe part of it is that I always have chosen the +heals or +healcrit gear. maybe i am overhealing when i should be throwing another lightning bolt or something.

So i'm rethinking my toon. And i would appreciate some suggestions on how to increase raid dps, while not increasing the mortality rate of my group significantly. Any suggestoins?

Scrownge

Well it is hard to comment without knowing your gear setup, AA's, spell rotation etc...

Widem

I'll comment.

The number 1 goal in acheiving wtf pwn dps is power management.

Playing a Fury is very power centric. This power cannot be achieved through max power but must be done through items that proc it.

The way to achieve BEST dps is of course Vortex and blow, but you will need 100% of your power to last you through the entire encounter, or else you go belly up.

Before you begin an encounter you have to know what length of time it entails. Hypothetically speaking the encounter takes 1minute 30 sec. You want to be able to go full out even with using energy vortex and not run out of power before the end of the fight.

You must also take into account the time between pulls. If you start a fight at only 50% power b/c they dont let you have time to recoup, you need to sacrifice raw dps gear for more power proc items.

---If you are using infusion as your primary way to acheive DPS YOU WILL FAIL.

---If you are using Animal Form as a viable way to regen power YOU WILL FAIL.

---If you use Energy Vortex and run out of power in the middle of combat YOU WILL FAIL.

It is better to realize that since you start a combat at only 50% power to resists teh temptation to use vortex unless you know you will be able to dps for the duration.

Items can be swapped via macros in between combats...

I suggest making a full burn setup...A power proc/burn mix with the best of each...and a full proc for very long duration fights.

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Bluefire

If the other Fury in guild is doing that kind of damage, you may want to look at his setup and discuss it with him. I usually go to Widem, because I am lucky enough to have him on my server

I have come to find out that if I am not in the MT group, there really is no need for me to be wearing full on +heal gear, nor full on HOTS. I have to agree with Widem, the hardest thing for me to manage in an encounter is my power. I am lucky enough to have a Warlock in my raid group, so proc’ing items are a must for me whether in heal or dps mode.

Book of Immortalis (Reduce power usage of 5% on all spells)
Girdle of the Di'Zok Spirit (group power proc)
Mistmore sage robe (can’t remember exact power proc)

Using these three items I have found that during 95% of all fights I can sit there and go full out. The only thing that would hurt my dps is the needed heal that happens very so often.

Blue

Fijiram

I have 3 gear setup... 1 main dps.. 1 main healing.. 1 power proc

If its a trash mob that doesnt exceed 1min 20s ~ ish I do not swap out my dps gear...if its a trash mob that exceed I swap out a couple piece with my macro.. if its a named mob I dps in healing + power proc gear atm since its not totally zombie dumbed down content and they still hit kinda hard (No comment on your uber guild that does shit with 4 healer plz.. i do not care.)

I recently got my tinkering up to 400 and I can tell you right now... those fucking manastones... are the shit to get power back. Start the fight with 50% power? Want to dps? instant cast 20%+ (they seem to crit , anyone else been seeing that?) power back.. and the recast is reasonable.. imo its one of the best indirect dps items you could get.. that and the claymore book ( if you can stay out of combat while you cast it , sometimes its a bitch).

Also take note that sometimes you dont have an illu in the mage group ( at least I have that problem) so those numbers might be off on the approximate time to get oop when you only have 1 power regen.

I wont talk much about wisdom except for the simple fact that its indirect dps to you since you dont run oop as much.

Dont go maxing like boe/haste/recast/crit without balancing them all at the same time, it doesnt help.

About aa. I wont go over everything b/c its been talked about alot already.

Druid is pretty straight forward. Except putting more points in int instead of +disruption.

Fury :

Depending if you have a regular warlock in your raid force and also depending on wether(sp?) hes in your group or not , 4pts in feral is enough.

Get the fae immo to 5pts.. great infusion spell and grants melee dps ( yes if you dont melee on mobs that you could you're a dumbass).

If you have extra points ( although its a very very very small portion of your dps ) you can get some points into de-aggro so you can cast it more on potm depending on how many mobs there is.

As a last point , some of the furies out there wont approve my choice on that aa but I kinda like it altho I havent tested it much. Points in Call of Karana (5) , omfg why? Well its mostly b/c on ae fights im trying to figure out if sunrise + ball on inc then dot dot starshower + CoK then starshower again is better than going with single target stuff. For now , i wouldnt say its better since I havent played with it enough. After all , what the fuck you gonna take in the fury tree anyway that will make a big diff?

I think I got everything dps wise.. I hope something helps
ps: Im fucking tired atm so correct me if im wrong somewhere and add something if I forgot anything.

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Feithen

Gear is definitely a big part of it. Take any two identical trash mobs in VP, do the same "cycle" of spells, and the parses can be scarily different. And that's from probably the worst dps-geared fury that posts here, so I can't imagine the insanity if you have a full set of dps gear. :P

Sotan

My DPS is highly dependent on my casting cycle. It can be very fluid in order, depending on circumstances.

As general rules, I prioritize always casting something that will do damage. Big nukes first, dots wherever I can squeeze them in when their reuse timer is up. Anytime all four damage spells are down, I Hibernate, follow up with my T2 group heal to proc infusion, by then a damage spell is up and I go through them until Hibernate is up again, and cycle it continuously. If I need to churn out heals, I can do so with my group hot as well. When there's multiple enemies, take a few seconds to drop fire pet and ball lightning. It adds up. And of course EV when it's up and will do the most good.

Power is everything. I have lots of power proc gear, and I always use totems and clarity potions. I've taken to drinking Growth's Ambrosia--it's expensive, but with the plat splits from named chests I actually make it back. I keep a full array of power signets and roots, and use them as necessary.

There's more of course, but not really something I could put into words better than others have. Prioritize spell crits and +spell damage. The first tick on my dots does something like 1k damage regularly. Things that proc off hostile spell are awesome, especially group heals that help keep your group topped off while you're DPSing. And I personally put 5 points into my deaggro reuse reduction, because I create a lot of hate and being able to dump it fast is a good thing.

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Sotanyavejin
OWG Fury

serum321

I find that not starting with your big nukes, but with your dots work better, keeps the casting flow smoother. If you start with tbolt and nova than do your dots you don't have any dps spells up, but if you start with swarm then hurricane then you can do a tbolt than swarm again and then nova after which you can start the whole cycle over again and are always dpsing.

And as far as the difference between you and your friend goes group setup is really big too. If you are primarily a healing fury and your friend is primarily a dps fury sounds like he got put into the dps group which he would have the benefit of a troub and maybe even time compression if an illy was in the group too.

Feithen

Warning: I'm REALLY not a dpser. Seriously. I have less than 50% spell crit and probably about +300 in damage, if even that. I haven't had time to farm gear from instances and most of our raid drops have been Mage Only bullshit that I want (but can't have), or healer with +heals and +heal crit.

That aside, I do like to dps when heals aren't needed and I've done a lot of playing around to try and find the best cycle. I have a priority list. That meaning, if a spell is up, I cast it immediately then go back to whatever was next on the list. I prioritize:
- True aes (if up, and not Call)
- Dots
- Nukes
- Group things that proc infusion, in this order: Fae Flames, Hibernate, T2 heal, group cure.

It's rare that I'll have none of that up, but it can happen, at which point I fall back on single target stuff that will still proc infusion, like a single target heal. And of course I EV whenever it's up.

I've probably got something fundamentally wrong in my casting order but, I put out okay numbrs. And given my gear is all power procing, I find it almost impossible to hit 0% power.

Widem

B/C of gear choices casting order can vary vastly between players.

The one thing that is completely universal is the best order in which to cast spells for infusion, and that rotation is dead right.

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