Power problems as a fury.?? - Page 3

Wildsea · 08-18-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fijiram

the only fight i felt completly useless lately was growth lol, i had a 2man group at some point, out of power constanly b/c of the power drain.. and couldnt get power back with just 2 target for group buffs.. good times

Sounds like a shortbus group *giggle!

Sumimasen · 08-23-2008, 06:05 AM

I have some issues with power too, but I combat it with roots (1 of each teir), experts clarity and transcendence, and also have karana miracle for nameds. Generally, don't have major issues except for long fights. Furies are power hungry, my illy finds it a challenge to keep my power up, specially if i cast like crazy, or am needing to cure lots!

Sulanaya · 08-29-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riddlebox914

Hmm looking at your gear on eq2 players and your INT of 214, something tells me your not doing much damage in a raid. A fury should be doing atleast 2k damage on trash mobs.

I am spiking around 3.5k-3.7k ... still haven't hit my goal of 4k.

I dont do damage.. i heal. That is my job. Notice my wisdom. I am a healing spec'd fury until told otherwise by my guild leader or what is needed.

sorry for late reply... didnt have this subscribed for replies.

Sulanaya · 08-29-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Krista

Obviously, you aren't casting enough spells then

. And you probably don't have infusion or energy vortex.

lol when i duo or do a voes group and am only healer.. i cast alot depending on group setup. I have gone on a few voes and never had to hit my heals more then once.. when that happens i hit the mob with everything else i have

and no i dont have infusion or energy vortex.. i went down stamina and wisdome lines.

Wildsea · 08-29-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sulanaya

I dont do damage.. i heal. That is my job.

Sounds like you might be happier if you betrayed to warden because you're not taking full advantage of what the fury class has to offer at the moment.

Sulanaya · 08-31-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildsea

Sounds like you might be happier if you betrayed to warden because you're not taking full advantage of what the fury class has to offer at the moment.

actually i am quite happy with my fury. I take full advantage when i have to, but i am in a majority of situations the MH of a group and i do that well.

Fijiram · 08-31-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sulanaya

actually i am quite happy with my fury. I take full advantage when i have to, but i am in a majority of situations the MH of a group and i do that well.

lol

Vaux · 09-01-2008, 12:16 PM

A Fury that doesn't DPS is like a Templar that doesn't buff. You're doing a halfassed job. I'm sorry but it's that simple. A Fury that doesn't DPS is better replaced by any of the other 5 healer classes who all offer better healing/buffs/debuffs/immunities.

I know the counter-argument is 'but it's waaay more important nobody dies! I can't heal and DPS at the same time!'. The thing is, a good fury CAN heal and DPS at the same time without either suffering. The class is balanced and designed around this fact. The keys to doing this are:

- Recognise how important Infusion is, and obtain items that increase infusion damage (anything with base damage, spell crits)

- Gear with at the very least several manawell items or ideally the ToNT set so you gain instead of lose power casting group heals. This is absolutely crucial especially if you don't have an Illusionist with the epic in the group. Power regen gear should have priority over everything else until your power bar is stable (or dropping during energy vortex and recovering after, while you chain cast).

- Realise you should always be chain casting, and never standing waiting, this is even more important for healing than DPSing.

- Realise many raid leaders and players do not have a clue how Fury DPS works, and incorrectly assume a Fury that parses is not healing. A bad raid leader will often tell a Fury not to dps based on this misunderstanding.

- Realise on trash, and the vast majority of nameds, it is the MT groups job to keep the MT alive, and spamming him with single target heals from out of group (bar the occasional return to the pack) is a waste of time. If you're genuinely needing to all out spam single target heals to keep the MT up then something is badly wrong with either the debuffers, the MT healers, or the MT themself.

kaynadin · 09-01-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vaux

A Fury that doesn't DPS is like a Templar that doesn't buff. You're doing a halfassed job. I'm sorry but it's that simple. A Fury that doesn't DPS is better replaced by any of the other 5 healer classes who all offer better healing/buffs/debuffs/immunities.

I know the counter-argument is 'but it's waaay more important nobody dies! I can't heal and DPS at the same time!'. The thing is, a good fury CAN heal and DPS at the same time without either suffering. The class is balanced and designed around this fact. The keys to doing this are:

- Recognise how important Infusion is, and obtain items that increase infusion damage (anything with base damage, spell crits)

- Gear with at the very least several manawell items or ideally the ToNT set so you gain instead of lose power casting group heals. This is absolutely crucial especially if you don't have an Illusionist with the epic in the group. Power regen gear should have priority over everything else until your power bar is stable (or dropping during energy vortex and recovering after, while you chain cast).

- Realise you should always be chain casting, and never standing waiting, this is even more important for healing than DPSing.

- Realise many raid leaders and players do not have a clue how Fury DPS works, and incorrectly assume a Fury that parses is not healing. A bad raid leader will often tell a Fury not to dps based on this misunderstanding.

- Realise on trash, and the vast majority of nameds, it is the MT groups job to keep the MT alive, and spamming him with single target heals from out of group (bar the occasional return to the pack) is a waste of time. If you're genuinely needing to all out spam single target heals to keep the MT up then something is badly wrong with either the debuffers, the MT healers, or the MT themself.

Yep, I have to agree. Outside of the occasional spot heal because of some large damage spike, your job is to heal your group after any AE/choker damage. That can EASILY be done in your normal DPS spell rotation. No reason not to be laying down at least 2k DPS, with few exceptions (none of them being trash. If you're not tossing out at least 2k on trash you may as well be AFK). If your tank is constantly needing chain instant heals from outside the MT group you are doing something wrong. Your MT templar and shaman should be handling the vast majority of the MT heals.

Alluuvil · 09-03-2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaux

A Fury that doesn't DPS is like a Templar that doesn't buff. You're doing a halfassed job. I'm sorry but it's that simple. A Fury that doesn't DPS is better replaced by any of the other 5 healer classes who all offer better healing/buffs/debuffs/immunities.

I know the counter-argument is 'but it's waaay more important nobody dies! I can't heal and DPS at the same time!'. The thing is, a good fury CAN heal and DPS at the same time without either suffering. The class is balanced and designed around this fact. The keys to doing this are:

- Recognise how important Infusion is, and obtain items that increase infusion damage (anything with base damage, spell crits)

- Gear with at the very least several manawell items or ideally the ToNT set so you gain instead of lose power casting group heals. This is absolutely crucial especially if you don't have an Illusionist with the epic in the group. Power regen gear should have priority over everything else until your power bar is stable (or dropping during energy vortex and recovering after, while you chain cast).

- Realise you should always be chain casting, and never standing waiting, this is even more important for healing than DPSing.

- Realise many raid leaders and players do not have a clue how Fury DPS works, and incorrectly assume a Fury that parses is not healing. A bad raid leader will often tell a Fury not to dps based on this misunderstanding.

- Realise on trash, and the vast majority of nameds, it is the MT groups job to keep the MT alive, and spamming him with single target heals from out of group (bar the occasional return to the pack) is a waste of time. If you're genuinely needing to all out spam single target heals to keep the MT up then something is badly wrong with either the debuffers, the MT healers, or the MT themself.

I agree.

Up until a few months ago I was a "healing" focused Fury. Then I realised that the game designers have given us many items and many spells to assist with dps. Giving us those abilities must be for a reason. I think Fury's were designed to heal and dps and I think we can do both well.

My enthusiasm for the game has increased since I changed from a "pure healer" focus to a "healer and dps" focus. I do not believe I have let the guild or my group down since making this change. I have assisted in improving the raid dps and I think I am more of an asset the guild than when I was purely "heal" focused.