Bozidar

i only ask because i've seen/heard conflicting things.

i've seen furies heal spec'd and hardly do any dps, i've seen furies dps spec and hardly ever heal.

what is the primary role of a fury in end-game raiding, what groups do they fit into properly?

in the troub forum we have a great AA thread about the best AA setup for raiding/soloing. What do most raiding furies spec for aas?

i've got a little lowbie fury i'm looking at, but also considering betraying my 60 warden and leveling him up too.

AricaJade

furies r there to keep their group up, alive & cured. then, after that, dps ur little heart out. it's not hard to bring a group back to full with just a couple of quick heals, even after an ae.

most raid furies go agi/int/ then either str or sta, along with the animalism (buffs) & energy lines (dps). furies who only do the heal part should betray imo. there's 2 parts to our class, we R r hybrid after all. furies who only do the dps part, while their group dies constantly, should reroll a caster. we have 2 roles, if ur not doing both, then ur not a fury.

i believe there is a thread somewhere in this forum for aa's & what most have gone. there r also other posts on diff threads on the board about aa's, just gotta look for them.

the ideal place for a fury is in the caster group, although the only one it really benefits is the fury themself because of the buffs. the buffs that a fury brings to the raid no longer benefit anyone, except 1 melee class, which could be in any group in a raid.

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serum321

It really depends on what your role is in the raid. If you're in the caster group like Arica said its your role to cure and keep your group and the occasional spot heal and crank out as much dps as you can inbetween those things. If you get put in the mt group for whatever reason it is your role to keep the mt alive, but you should still be putting out some dps, you are casting beneficial spells anyway, take advantage of infusion and put down ball lightning and dumb fires in between heals.

I agree with Arica also though in that if you're primarily in the mt group betray or roll a warden.

raekwen

AJ.. type it with me.. "are", lol

Ya know, its funny. The concept of healing and dps'ing at the same time isnt a tough one, but it seems that only 5% of furies ever really understand this and can actually do it effectively. Its probably why we get such a bad name. I dont understand really whats so tough, but it seems almost every fury we get since I changed classes cant grasp this concept.

Feithen

On role in raids, and this is just my personal opinion, your job is:

1. Keep your group alive.

If there are two healers in your group, this is even easier, but it's a given. No matter what else you are doing you should always be trying to keep them alive. For the self serving furies, think of it as "keeping the folk buffing my badass dpsing self alive". If you let your troub choker himself to death your parse will drop because a) you don't have his buffs b) you have to rebuff him c) he's one less person to proc infusion on.

2. Cure important stuff.

You can't cure everything. Trying to will make you kick kittens. But you do need to know what's important to cure, and you need to cure it as quickly as it needs done.

3. Spot heal other groups.

If a wizard in g3 is dying and you have a heal up, you have two choices. Ignore them and let them die, har har, because it's not your job - or fling them a heal and save them the repairs and rebuffing time. Your call.

4. Dps your balls off!

On groups, mage groups are your best bet. Troubs and illusionists provide great buffs. Being in a group with another healer can be nice (inquis & templar both offer nice things). But honestly, a "bad" group isn't as big a deal as it used to be. Our Warden went emo and I've been MT a lot recently, and my parses on trash are only about 10-20% lower vs a stacked mage group. My parses on named went to complete crap, of course.

Bozidar

i see that you guys suggest the AGI line, i assume you mean 4-4-4-8. This will increase our heal amount, and hots, but..

from what i can tell from reading fury heals most of them are direct heals. wont we get more bang for our buck, healwise, taking the STA line and maxing out heal crit vs working on heal amount and hots? i'm recalling from memory, but AGI line doesn't offer any casting speed buff, or dps buff. Is the percentage of increase in heal that significant to waste 20 AA on it?

Gear wise, obviously you get what spell crit/amount you can, where you can get it, but do you generally look for heal crit or heal amount on your gear?

Bozidar

oh, as far as mage groups go.

what does YOUR average mage group look like? Mine is:
lock, wiz, fury, troub, illy, necro/lock/wiz/sin, when i play my troub.

being a solo healer there seems to present challenges in keeping all the squishies alive, specifically on named fights. What's your best suggestion for a second healer to come in and fill the gap? What would be the best for the groups overall buffs, templar?

Feithen

You're primarily taking the AGI line for Tortoise Shell, the ability at the end. Quite a lot of us take AGI to the end for tortoise, INT to the end for dps, and then STA or STR depending on playstyle.

Personally I was AGI/INT/STA for the first part of RoK when healing was important, AGI/INT/STR for the last few months, and just AGI/INT since the expansion hit (with the remainder spent in the Shadow tree).

The mage group for me is always Wizard, Illusionist, Troub, followed by a dps'ing scout, and either a "leftover" mage like conj, or a second healer. I did score a warlock AND wizard last week and it was oodles of fun. And if you switch that last spot with a dirge... kaboom!

For secondary healer, I'll take whatever I can get. Inquisitor or Templar seems to be the most common. Again, it's really based on whatever's in your roster.

Mags

I cant agree with you more. its understanding your class if it has a lot of stuns stifles aoes probably not best to be dps at that very point in time. it really comes down to feeling your class and knowing what works best for you and the raid over all

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Jelaine

This made me laugh, but you would be suprised how many healers in general dont cure

Also i have discovered that punching babies is as satisfying as kicking kittens, even from time to time baby seal punting is also a good way to relive the stress of nonstop curing....mmm cure curse makes me happy inside!!!!!

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