Ninibi

- I don't stop fighting while doing writs & don't need to. If I run out of power, I smack animal form and melee it back, then vortex again. Nope, I'm not running around in FTX gear. que sera.

- Why would I be using it to "dps"? I said I'd be using it so I wasn't useless if I ran out of power. Toggle on...toggle off. It happens sometimes. If you'd like to be a prick about someone amusing themselves, knock yourself out. But, for your own comfort, I suggest you find someone to stick a thumb up your ass and dislodge the tumbleweed that got sucked up in there this morning, since it seems to be makin you a mite tetchy.

Why would I just stand there and do nothing if I can hit animal form, melee and get power back faster, then hit vortex?
There's absolutely no reason to be just standing there waiting for anything if you have a means of regenning power quickly. Animal Form is one. It may only get used once in a blue moon in a raid, but in the event I need it, I'd like to be able to make the best use of it.


Pride's Edge - I've said it elsewhere on the forums that it's a novelty piece of crap and a decoration. However, if there's a way to get the delay down to where you actually swing the damned thing once in a blue moon, then great, I'm all for making the friggin thing at least this [] useful.

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Widem

dont be a stupid cunt i said parse it and i can easily show you why...you are doing such bad dps with it and when u can get power back faster with a halasian/beholder totem out of combat...i could stay out of combat until the mob is 50% then start casting spells and do more damage than i could have with animal form easy.

do i need to stay out of combat? no b/c there is tons of shit at your disposal to get power which apparently your not taking advantage of.

you would do more dps over time not using vortex or using animal form rather than ever using animal form in order so u can use vortex.

Vegaxe

This thread is just dicussing haste and mellee options a fury. Which basically we all know we dont have much compared to other healing classes, aka defiler or inquis.

I am with Ninibi here and always like to leave an option open for some fun with our fury instead of the typical setup.

I mean come on widem, you like to defend your option of using tortoise shell... I started this thread to see if their were some options for some way of taking the str tree.

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Butcherblock

Ninibi

Let's clarify a couple things:

1. no one, at any point in this thread, was saying: OMGZ be a melee dps fury. Fury self haste = melee dps ownz omgomg lololol /faint

It was posted, to my understanding as a "hey look, this is amusing, I wonder what would happen if..." I'd noticed this the other night in AoA while a dirge was tossing out CoB and thought that's lovely - we can cap haste? haha! Let's see what happens.

2. no one, including myself, at any point in this thread, was endorsing that this is better than casting dps.

3. I was looking at it in the perspective of: hey, it could come in handy if... Then thinking up scenerios where it may be useful.

It generally happens that people get into some wierd ass situation and think of this crap later and think "ah shit, I forgot I could have used..." Say you're duo'ing something and it's just a long ass fight, who knows?


Scrap the whole "out of combat" idea unless you've found some way to make a beholder totem work during the fight. Assume there's either no downtime, or the situation is so borked that it's a huge gigantically long fight. We had a period during the rebuild where, not having my brig at 70, we ended up going into LoA with 2 groups, none of us in EoF gear, most of us in KoS gear or new raiders in legendary - the fight on the first named in there took 16 minutes. Throw out some insults about the quality of the raid force, I don't fuckin care - they did great for what they had in front of them, and Animal Form was used several times throughout the fight. Suiciding midfight to get out of combat power regen isn't even in their hemisphere of "tactics" so it was basically manastone/vessel/shards/hearts/prismatics.

So, for the rest of us peons, Animal Form sometimes does get a use - sure, I'm sure there are better ways to deal and please, throw those suggestions out there, but, in the moment, I was danged happy to have it.



Writs - I go up to Barren Sky and pull a pile of aviaks on myself and nuke the crap out of them, then, when out of power, hit animal form and keep going. Generally I get adds, because I really don't give a crap how many I pull. I'm a restless person - I hate downtime, I'd rather keep moving than stand a few seconds and regen, even if you think this is ridiculous. I can think of more boring things to be doing than writs, but ...not a lot.

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Widem

if you want to go str tree then it will be just for fun b/c you will be getting nothing out of it.

they split furies and wardens through the EoF AA line options...furies were given stuff that enhanced spell damage...while wardens were given things that increased melee damage.

for those who know how the combat system works and you can ask any scout on the planet that its better to have a dps mod rather than a haste mod thats plain and simple.

why this whole idea fundamentally wont work for a fury and does for warden.
weapons with a big range such as a vrak club or even prides edge is only beneficial if you have Melee crits...that is the whole idea of why weapons with big ranges are good b/c as a warden you are going to be hit max damage+crit most the time where as a fury your just not so your basically screwing yourself...not to mention they have another line that gives them CAs and the ability for there damage spells to act like CAs thus pretty much making them full melee.

the whole magic of the formula is the crit which we dont have...but what do we have? spell crits...you can do it for fun all you want but this is whats going to happen...click animal form, watch tv, turn back and great you have not only taken away your ability to do good dps, but also heal or make and kind reaction to your raid.

if you are seriously entertaining to notion of using this strat you are just 100x better off using something that just has an insanely low delay rather than thinking your going to do good melee damage. Get power back, proc some damage and get out of it as soon as possible b/c its a crutch.

i swear to god just parse it both ways and u will see.

Ninibi

For fun was the idea, Widem - or "how could this come in handy as a trick up your sleeve"

I dunno about you guys, I've been playing a fury for over 2 years, raiding her and speccing what I felt was best for healing to the point I felt guilty putting a few points in the cheetah AA just to move around faster.
Fury DPS was a joke up till EoF and not really anything to bother with - that has made things a bit more entertaining (and, the threads here have helped me not think some newer furies coming up are insane to spec for vortex).

At this point, anything that makes her more entertaining is good stuff. I've switched, for the most part, over to the brigand while we're relatively druid heavy, so I get my dps jollies that way - but at the same time, Nin still has crap to get done before RoK, and having something amusing to ponder over with her and go try out is always a good thing.

LOL btw, the parse on the writs was like an avg of 2-300 melee dps vs. 800+ casting dps, but y'know, I wasn't standing still at any point & got slashing up a bit, so that was nice.


Edit
- noted about the crits.
- animal form can be toggled off quickly, at least. And if I'm actually using this during a raid rather than during writs for fun, I'm using the Adamantine Hammer with a power proc adornment on it, not pride's edge. lol

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Vegaxe

OOOO how I wish we had some melee crit

But, with ev, it is hard to complain. The small increase in infusion should help the parse a bit also.

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Butcherblock

Magna

wow am I reading this right are fury's talking about dps damage as in like melee wtf... your not a warden if you want to do melee dps become a warden K thanks.

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boli

Pride's Edge isn't useless... if you can melee I find it best to swap in a slowish 2Hander (such as PE) and go to town... you can pretty much ignore the fact you're meleeing and cast as normal; most of your spells will cast between the swings and its the equiv of having a free DoT on the mob . The faster delay weapons you'll loose damage just from casting our longer spells.

I've tested it and it does more dps than a single 1handed spell proc item meleeing; loosing a second proc item however.. I think it'll be better to keep the procs but I haven't had chance to test this yet. (been slacking on my claymore :/)

Yggdrasil

I have spoken with some furies who swear by the STR line. Personally, I think that they've got the totally wrong idea, but some people are convinced that the minimal group heal proc and "free" damage from meleeing and not having to use any power for their below 1k DPS is worthwhile. For the sake of the discussion and for a bit of fun, I tried the STR line and broke out the best melee DPS weapons I have - the Vraksakin Claw Club with the 20 haste adornment and the Enchanted Grove Scimitar. I also tried to max out my STR, stood in group with a boxed dirge buffing STR/AGI, melee skills, and DPS, as well as an illusionist who gave me haste.

I then ran parses for a little while, really trying to sort out why anyone would think that the meleeing fury approach was any good. Having formerly had a necro main, I have come to be quite proud of how I play caster classes, but I admittedly am not the best melee type since I only have two bards. Through absolutely no combination of ideas and setups could I make the melee DPS come anywhere close to what I do with casting. Despite a few laughably high and ridiculously low hits on the club, the entire approach just sucked.

But, for those who actually still feel like Agitate is worth casting on themselves (and keep in mind that most furies have terribly low STR so meleeing is a joke anyways), you could always get the 2 haste adornment on your belt, give yourself Agitate, and then maybe do the Cloak of Flames if you want to test things out.

Being completely setup for max DPS (over 50% crits with DKtM, AAs, and adornments), plus an ideal-for-my-style approach to casting, I can honestly tell you that there is no comparison IF you are good enough to DPS and know when to switch into healing mode.