Fury Expectations...

Dedaehder · 08-08-2007, 02:02 PM

Just curious what the overall view is on what to expect from a Fury. I myself own a 60 Fury and have raided on a friends Fury many times. However, in my raid force we have a Fury that heals very well but doesnt DPS...at all. Last night with a ZW of 26k the Fury parsed 3rd on the healer parse and 50 DPS. That was no a typo, 50...as in half a hundred. Just curious what I should expect from a Fury even if they are not that interested in DPSing, what should be the minimum. The Fury is normally in mage group with Wizard, Warlock, Necro, Conj, Troub.

Fijiram · 08-08-2007, 03:25 PM

Expect at LEAST 500 ( not a typo :P ) or something , beside fights like treah in eh .. alot of ae and stuns.. shit at 500 dps you basicly just throw your 2 dots on the mob... I'm thinking those 2 dots might do higher actually lol.

Widem · 08-08-2007, 04:26 PM

and also as a raiding fury you shouldnt be high on the heal parse...as a matter of fact with tortoise shell you should be making sure your group isnt taking damage at all.

id also put that dps number at 1000zw easy for any zone.

valnas · 08-08-2007, 04:39 PM

I'll preface this to say that I'm a templar

but our furies can parse 1k dps in their sleep. Of course gear, experience, and being fully mastered allow them to put up gaudy numbers on encounters and stronger zw's, but a 70 fury joining a guild without much experience, should be 500 + within a week, and if at the end of an app period they aren't approaching or cresting over that 1000 mark I'd have some serious concerns. There are tons of posts about how to dps, what gear to get, and what encounters are dps drainers out there.

Goozmania · 08-08-2007, 06:16 PM

Word. Even when I'm bored as poop and not paying attention, I can still manage ~1150 zonewide in instances like MMIS and FTH. I would not even consider recruiting a Fury who cannot maintain that (or any non mt healer)

Slix · 08-09-2007, 06:22 AM

Druids are a querky class to play, it depends on tank gear, and healer strength mostly. And this is why I love druids...we have this choice and making the right choices is what sets good from bad furys.

From my experience, in a low end or starting raider guild the Fury will find themselves very low on the dps parse and very high on the heal parse. My guild at the time (DoF / KoS) wasnt noob or high end but I would be on top with the defiler at around 25% of the total hp healed for the zone. As the tank geared out, people learned the fights I could still do the same healing but would be 3rd to 6th on the heal parse. Not any fault of mine but just the raid strength getting better. Thats when I would work on dps.

Right now for end game guilds (clearing throne room with np) Furys should be mid to low end heal parse and about 1-1.5K dps avg zw.

Right now furys in OT, MT groups for challenged guilds should be doing mabye 0-500dps and around 15%-20% of the total hp healed.

When RoK comes and we start our lv 80 Raiding I expect to see myself no where on any dps parse but very high on all heal parses for a number of months. As encounters move to the boring afk / autofollow raiding farm status I expect fury average dps to be 2K+

Rule of thumb druids vs content will be top 3 of heal parses and then will shift to dps are content ages as MT get better mit, avoidance, it will reach a point where wards and reactives will heal 90% of the damage taken and your ability to get a heal in gets harder.

THE Only expectation a guild should have of a fury is their ability to know when and how to swtich from a healer to dps role and back again. Poor druids wont switch, good druids will adapt and dont need to be told to do so. It seems simple but you would be surprised how hard it is for many druids.

Now to answer your (yet another dps question) avg druid right now 1-1.5k ZW dps depending on heals, cures etc but expecting and judging only on dps is a poor way to messure a player.

Dedaehder · 08-09-2007, 10:31 AM

I can understand where you are coming from when it comes to DPS being a poor way to judge a player, thats not my only foot to stand on. When a Shaman dog out DPS's a Fury there is something to be concerned about IMHO. We have been clearing MMIS for a while now, we single pull every mob in there and most have become /afk fights except Mayong. When it comes to gear, she has I think 4 peices of the EOF Fabled and decent weapons/jewlery. While fighting Tacticians Armor I was watching her mana and she had 98% power when he fell...and parsed 39 DPS. When we fight TA as everyone here knows he hits like a panzy, the MT Cleric and Shaman can easily keep up the person tanking and there isnt really anything that any other healers have to keep up with when it comes to AOE's. Just makes no sense to me why someone would rather stand there, meleing the mob when they could be nuking helping us waste him even faster. Sad thing is, when I approach her about DPS she gets very upset...maybe its because "I dont have a 70 Fury."

Widem · 08-09-2007, 11:14 AM

that right there is bullshit, and i think you need to /guildremove dumbassfury.

TA is an outright damage fest. but in your post u mentioned that most fights have become /afk fights which that kind of thing can lead to mediocrity and complacency in a raid very very fast.

Hers a thought, why not just everyone try as hard as they can and be done with it an hour faster?

Gryffk · 08-09-2007, 11:27 AM

I agree with Slixia's comments above. Saying "all furies should be able to do xx damage" is misleading. It very much depends upon the caliber of the people you're raiding with. In my previous guild, I could easly do 1.4 to 1.6 zone parses. With the guild I am in now, I have to heal a lot more due to various issues. I really miss having the luxury to shine DPS wise... but moving to the new guild has had its' benefits in other areas.

Dedaehder · 08-09-2007, 11:51 AM

I guess making the statement that most fights are /afk fights was a bit much, what I mean is they are very easy and no challenge at all. Since we have been doing them for so long they dont take much coordination and we can 3 group them. I push my guild to DPS as much as I possibly can. On some fights, I make bets saying if you can gank agro from me you get plat...about the only time I lose agro is when someone FD's me, Amnesias the mob or a Brig uses sever hate. Dont think I have lost agro yet due to outright hate. Thats part of the reason I made this post, our DPS and buffers IMHO are pushing out as much as they can right now and I think if our healers start attempting to DPS more then we will hit that 30k ZW mark I want to hit so bad. Right now we parse ~26k ZW in MMIS and with a Fury parsing 50 (half a hundred) when I know they have the ability to parse 1k that takes us that much closer to the coveted 30k.