Beef with Spell Consolidation - Page 4

tomthumb · 08-19-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Sure ill just join in on SoN for that one.

Oh wait, I must suck and be the worst player ever because I've never killed him! Would I like to? Yes! Do I have time to or in a guild that even has a chance? NO!

I am sure it took hours and hours to have a wizard figure out how to maximise dps, because I mean afterall, we got sooooooo much more to do on raids other than dps... why I can.... Worry about aggro managment... wait prolly not unless they have a mem wipe... even then... same order, might have to pause a second or two. Oh wait! huge ae, better stand back... run in after tank gets hit with it, or some jerk calls it out, run in fusion flames so on so on, yep very little effort... Worry about power?? Well this one might actually be true on Avatars and such, never realy raided them but eh, sounds like fun. But 90% of stuff no worries... Tanks can pull as fast as they want no power breaks...

I, however, do like how they worked cures in, and wish they wouldnt consolidate those... but then I mean how hard is it to pick the right mole when the symbol comes up? but I suppose there is some deciding on which one to cure first, but even then thats only when you first fight a mob, then it might become obviouse which one to cure. But not for everyone I suppose. And knowing is half the battle and what makes the elite elite right?

EDIT: I think I made the wrong choice in class it sounds like! I am lvling up an Illusionist so I can mezz and aggro control and buff on raids! Oh wait... damn... If they are getting rid of procs dang illusionists better be able to mezz and do cool stuff I cant even think of right now on raids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This poster = death of eq2 as we know it. This faggot and his ilk is why the game is getting fubared as we speak.

I'd love to see your wizard parse faggot.

Mr-Furious · 08-19-2007, 05:36 AM

Cure All has to be one of the worst ideas ever. Half the fun on a raid is figuring out and prioritizing what dots/debuffs to remove off players first, whether they be nox, elemental, arcane.

With them all consolidated under one button you kill half the strategy on a raid.

As it's been said before in this thread, the removal of spells = the removal of options for the players.

I'm kind of worried that some of these great new features of spell consolidation will equal out to what it's like for a Swashbuckler using Hail of Steel, or a Fury and Call of Storms.. where you have this really cool ability and in order to use it, you have to remained stunned like a retard.

Spell Consolidation is a fucking stupid idea.

Steelbadger · 08-19-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Or your tank sucks balls.... yeah...

And yes its soooo hard to figure out use your highest dps first... default wizard cast order with a good tank/set up
pre ice sheild
pre forge of ro
pre ice shape/frigid gift
pull protoferno
1. rending ice
2. freehand
3. fusion
4. ice nova
5. surging tempest
6. incapacitate
7. ball of lava.
8. irradiate
9. fiery convulsions

then spam ball of lava, irradiate, and fiery convulsions till high dps comes back... wooooooo anyone with half a brain can figure that one. Wow you must be elite to figure that... that has absolutly nothing to do with skill... I am a low end raider, don't have time to raid full time and I figured that out, it must be skill because im the best wizard ever. And so is every other one. Its too easy to be good. The sad part is i see plenty of wizards who parse good and put sunstrike high in the order... There guilds must carry them with others parsing high making there parses look high, obviously they suck...

edit: added the /setup

Someone didn't actually read my post, or didn't have the faculties to understand it.

I said that either consolidation will result in:

1) Still Spamming, because it as long as it is possible it will ALWAYS be the best way to dps using the current combat mechanics or

2) Bored because we are forced by recharges into a situation where we cannot spam and are forced to merely look on while our character auto-attacks.

I mean... you say its all too easy now, but then advocate it being made simpler; with less skills to manage it can only be made simpler to manage them all for maximum effect. Consolidation reduces the number of skills, and thus reduces the amount that you must keep track of to maintain your dps. Thus making it simpler.

Morara · 08-19-2007, 05:45 AM

I'm disappointed to have opened this thread only to find out that SOE isn't giving out free steaks with the spell consolidation.

Flaming Homo · 08-19-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokamak

Spells consolidated and procs removed? Bye bye eq2.

Oh, Jesus motherfucking Christ! The sky is falling!

Malignity · 08-21-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelbadger

Someone didn't actually read my post, or didn't have the faculties to understand it.

I said that either consolidation will result in:

1) Still Spamming, because it as long as it is possible it will ALWAYS be the best way to dps using the current combat mechanics or

2) Bored because we are forced by recharges into a situation where we cannot spam and are forced to merely look on while our character auto-attacks.

I mean... you say its all too easy now, but then advocate it being made simpler; with less skills to manage it can only be made simpler to manage them all for maximum effect. Consolidation reduces the number of skills, and thus reduces the amount that you must keep track of to maintain your dps. Thus making it simpler.

Here is what im saying. This is all I want them to do. Consolidate spells, dont consolidate them. I want all classes to be a challenge to play. Spaming is not a challenge. Figuring out which spell does more dps which one to cast first is not a challenge. There is no class in this game what so ever that is a challenge to play. NONE! I don't give a fuck what you say, you ride the short bus if you think any class is challenging.
I want to worry about aggro. I want to worry if ill run out of power on trash mobs... I want every button I press to mean something signifigant and could help the raid/grp down the line or at that moment. Shit has to start ramping up and I am glad they are noticing it when Scott said "we want each button press to be signifigant. I just hope they get there act together and make things signifigant enough! Spaming worthless 1000 damage and 10000 damage spells, and fast casting spells to make items proc is boring, it does shit, and spells should be more significant and actually do something, make it challenging to play each class, its too fucking easy to spam. Make it so if I hit the wrong button the whole raid will wipe cuz I screwed up. Make it so monks have to god damn feign pull or wipe the raid cuz they suck at feign pulling... make it so dps classes have to watch there power and watch there dps so they dont wipe the raid with pulling aggro... make it so enchanters/healers have to mezz/debuff before the mobs can even be touched (kinda in but could be better), screw this equality class BS, make the classes much harder to play! They should be just like mobs, the more you level the harder things become...

Slippery · 08-21-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Figuring out which spell does more dps which one to cast first is not a challenge.

Must be hard for you, because your list is wrong.

Pinski · 08-21-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Here is what im saying. This is all I want them to do. Consolidate spells, dont consolidate them. I want all classes to be a challenge to play. Spaming is not a challenge. Figuring out which spell does more dps which one to cast first is not a challenge. There is no class in this game what so ever that is a challenge to play. NONE! I don't give a fuck what you say, you ride the short bus if you think any class is challenging.

You know, in this game there are 2 types of people. Those who spam in no specific order, and those who spam in an order that gives them the most DPS. The fact is, just from reading what you're saying you think it is not hard to do top-end DPS. Yet why is it that so many people have troubles with it? Ever been on a pickup raid and looked at the DPS? I have, and it's HORRIBLE. I seriously just laugh at the DPS numbers I see. I'm seeing the top person MAYBE break 1000 DPS, and here I am doing 2000+. Hi, if you think it's really easy to do top-end DPS, then why don't you or Illuminator do it? I think it's because it is not easy. And saying an Enchanter isn't challenging to play in a terrible group where the tank can barely stay alive against 1 heroic is fucking dumb. You probably couldn't handle it and would probably have your group wipe because of how fucking bad you are at the game. I'm sorry you don't think there's any challenge in this game, then again if there isn't why haven't you been able to do anything that everybody else has already done in the past 9 months?

Malignity · 08-21-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

You know, in this game there are 2 types of people. Those who spam in no specific order, and those who spam in an order that gives them the most DPS. The fact is, just from reading what you're saying you think it is not hard to do top-end DPS. Yet why is it that so many people have troubles with it? Ever been on a pickup raid and looked at the DPS? I have, and it's HORRIBLE. I seriously just laugh at the DPS numbers I see. I'm seeing the top person MAYBE break 1000 DPS, and here I am doing 2000+. Hi, if you think it's really easy to do top-end DPS, then why don't you or Illuminator do it? I think it's because it is not easy. And saying an Enchanter isn't challenging to play in a terrible group where the tank can barely stay alive against 1 heroic is fucking dumb. You probably couldn't handle it and would probably have your group wipe because of how fucking bad you are at the game. I'm sorry you don't think there's any challenge in this game, then again if there isn't why haven't you been able to do anything that everybody else has already done in the past 9 months?

Short bus.

Pinski · 08-21-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Short bus.

Okay then, master of the universe, lemme ask, if nothing in this game is challenging(which honestly it isn't) why is it that you haven't killed anything worth a damn of instanced content?