Malignity

Ill answer that if you answer me three questions.

As an Illusionist do you want to be able to Mez/Charm/Debuff realy well on raid content?

As an Illusionist do you want more buffs like alusory arm, time compression to help the raid out as a support class?

Do you like having to spam your cast order you got listed in illusionist forum knowing most of those spells dont realy do anything, you are just trying to proc gear? Or would you rather have spells that mean something and do something more usefull when you cast them?

I haven't done most of the content yet this game has to offer yet mostly due to time restraints. I am on a U.S. server playing Euro times. The guild I have is great, I love the people I play with and most of them are great players. And unfortunatly drama split up my previouse guild which was also pretty casual... but were headed into EH content months ago. I can hold my own as a wizard. Always second in the parse since I started raiding. (darn assassins!) My numbers will not be in the 3k zone due to my guild is very lucky if we get 24 raiders on, and when we do we max out at 2k dps. We can't set up min max raid, im lucky to get a bard. And I defenetly will admit there are some bad players out there... but id rather them be bad because they don't know when to press a button, run out of power, or daze off and not pay attention, rather than they don't know how to press the buttons often and in the wrong order.

Pinski

1. What the fuck does that have ANYTHING to do with spell consolidation? And if you're asking me this question you're a fucking moron and should go back to July of 2005 when I started my posting of bitching about the shit that Enchanters deal with on raids and how crap we are except in DPS. Hi, you're fucking retarded for asking this question, what the fuck do you think I want to do on a raid, Crowd Control or DPS? Crowd Control, duh, why else would I be an Enchanter, I should have rolled a Wizard if I wanted just DPS. But since the game told me I could be an Orange, and instead gave me being an Apple, just like a Wizard, I'm going to maximize my effectiveness as an Apple.

2. I would rather die than be given more fucking dumb buffs that require no thought or skill to use. Oh boy, I cast Time Compression again after the Wizard died, that motherfucker died so I also have to AF him again, dumb Wizards always dying.

3. I don't see what the fuck any of these comments have ANYTHING to do with spell consolidation. Then again, I also don't expect you to even understand perputality. Damn straight I love casting my spells continually. If I'm not casting, I'm pissed the fuck off(whether it's from lag or a stun/stifle). I would hate to have spells that would "mean" something, because wait there's no fucking way they can mean dick in this game without a COMPLETE change of the game, and I'm not talking a small spell consolidation they've got planned now. I'm talking revamp AAs, revamp every single ability. Everything. Completely change the game so it's not even remotely the same as it is now. And then, I'd probably quit because it wouldn't be even close to the same game I started playing.

Random Comments: You'd think that, but seriously just look at their spell procs and compare them to yours, and then tell me they are casting the same amount as you and it's not that they don't know what order to cast things in. And lol using an excuse as my numbers will never be in the 3k ZW because we never have 24 people online. Great reason, I guess Falcogen is just that much better than you because we barely ever have 24 people online and he still manages to get there :\

One last thing, I fucking detest the fact that I'm an Illusionist and all I can do is DPS, spell consolidation will not change this, the only thing that will change it is different style encounters, actually requiring crowd control for everything. But that won't happen, because then Enchanters will become overpowered(then again, they already are just based on the "average" Enchanters are just fine where they are).

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Illuminator

You will learn to relax once you disregard people from other servers commenting about your dps of all things.

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Pinski

Damn, I heard Phay out-dps'd you all the time, and this was directly from his mouth. So please, don't act like I can't comment on your DPS.

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Widem

Its really no big secret why you like all this shit lumi. With the current combat system somehow you have failed to grasp just how to be a good player. with all of this, your hopes are that if your course of action is just a little more obvious then maybe you can become a top player simply b/c there are less choices of what you can do and when.

in the past couple months your situation had changed. you spent no time breaking EoF and i said it before and ill say it again you basically just piggybacked with SD. you have now fallen from what you considered the top and in such a fashion that any respectable raid guild doesnt even want to have anything to do with you. these changes will make it easier for you to perform your job better and your hope is that might just be that something missing from what you have previously failed to grasp.

Life imitates art and in life what sets people apart are choices and the choices they make. the same thing applies here. take away choices and you will see smaller and smaller differences betwee people. These choices are what makes life, and in this situation, games fun.

Steelbadger

Correct, it IS easy now, I can dps in my sleep. Consolidation is not the answer. Due to the combat mechanics of the game simply ramping up spike spell damage will not make it challenging. A couple of months after the change everyone will be able to do it in their sleep again, because the combat in eq2 is based off cast cycles. One spell, then another, then another. Consolidation does not change any of the problems in the game. Energy consumption will be the same, damage will be the same, but spikier. Dps will be lower due to the mechanics of procs. Challenge will be the same. Options will be fewer. Choices will be fewer.

By all means, soe, make combat mean something, but consolidation will not achieve it. It achieves only a frustrated crowd of people who could be doing something, but have been blocked by the number of skills available to them. Remember being at lvl 10? When you could spam your skills then had to wait an age for them all to come back up, dejectedly looking on as your character swung pointlessly at the mob, hoping that skills will be back up before those little baby chunks of health the mob is knocking off amount to a death.

Thats not fun.

An overhaul of AA's, skills and procs would not change the nature of skill usage into something like what soe look for. The first port of call would be HO's. Make them mean something, make them last longer, and require more input to be used correctly.

No set HO's with set orders, a table of effects and causes. Each effect can be caused by any specific combination of skills once the HO is begun. No hunting for the correct HO, in addition make the HO's far longer and able to detect encounter type (if you are in a raid make HOs last 30 seconds, each step must be used in 5 seconds or it breaks; groups you only have 2-3 steps, over 10 seconds) No crappy does some more dmg HOs, make them mean something, make them harder to achieve. Make dps a raid endeavor, not a solo one.

Sticking some skills together ain't going to make the game more engaging. Put your time into making HO's worth while, rather than an optional extra.

Malignity

Yes, I was more talking about RoK spells, as in my post you quoted "consolidation or not, I WANT spells that mean something. thx.

As for the dps, when Falcogen gets 12% of the zone wide dps give me a call. Ill crown him. And say I suck, along with all other wizards who do less than 12%.

Widem

so b/c the people you play with are completely terrible that makes you good? all that tells me is that you actually have no idea what good even is.

Pinski

So, I answer your questions, and you don't even bother to answer mine? Great way to do a conversation. I gave you answers, now it's your turn, of course you probably won't answer mine because you're not willing to.

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Steelbadger

Hang on... you say you do 12% of the zonewide... and you said earlier you get beat by an assassin.

That means approx 25% of your ENTIRE raids dps comes from 2 people.

That tells me one of three things:

1) You and the assassin are sup0r-human
2) Your guild REALLY sucks
3) You are telling porkie pies

Which is it please?

(getting high %zonewide is easy... I got up to a nice 20% of zonewide in my old casual guild)