Clear Cutter Machete goes to a dirge - Page 14

Ballads · 08-22-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Actually ALL scouts have the same BASE auto-attack damage. If you look in the patch notes you'll see back in... 34? That bards were adjusted upwards to match the other scouts for BASE auto-attack damage. The difference comes in when you see that all the non-bard scouts have self-buffs and stances, which increase their DPS, haste and weapon skills. If you had a nekid dirge with no gear, no AAs, and no buffs running, vs a swash with no gear, no buffs and no AAs, they'd both do the same damage with that weapon over time. It's only when you add in buffs and AAs that the non-bard scouts will out-DPS the bards with auto-attack.

Restricting your bards to only bidding on items that everyone else already has is a good way to have a guild without any bards.

Also, if you had a parse and took all the proc damage from the mages in the troub group, took it OFF the mage's DPS, and added it to the Troubador's, you'd see that the Troubadors actually out-parse every single person in the entire fucking raid, just by showing up and clicking PotM when it's up. Then we have all the debuffs, and all the little buffs your parser completely ignores because they dont directly add damage. The difference between a mage group with a troub, and one without is around 3-5k DPS, depending on how good your mages and troub is. So don't try and tell me that bards are not DPS, we actually add more DPS than ANY other class. I imagine it'd be the same with a Dirge in a melee group.

Keeping your bards happy should be one of the highest things on your to-do list, and restricting them to loot that no-one else wants is NOT a good way to keep them happy.

Well a rouge and a bard have the same auto attack damage but preds still get a 5% higher to theirs. What makes it better for a rouge is they are always autp attacking where a bard would have a secondary job that would prevent them from always auto attacking ( ressing, Potm,ect) I doubt your dirge ever sit , does your swashy? A piece of gear on a bard every raid is better then it on a dps class it is better for who is there half the time.

Orochan · 08-22-2007, 02:11 AM

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Also, if you had a parse and took all the proc damage from the mages in the troub group, took it OFF the mage's DPS, and added it to the Troubador's, you'd see that the Troubadors actually out-parse every single person in the entire fucking raid, just by showing up and clicking PotM when it's up.

Ya but you can say the same about brigands too though :P, or any class that debuffs/buffs for dps for that matter.

But I still agree w/ the majority of the people in this thread, so fucking what if a dirge got ccm, he had the dkp, he used it. Point in case.

Tokamak · 08-22-2007, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Davngr

no only do i out dps them i destroy them in parse.. give a fury a troub and illusionest and put me in a group by my self and ill out dps a fury NP the point of the matter is that DPS proc gear should go to DPS classes .. how is that hard to understand? should i start specing my necro to heal? should i start rolling on item with ministration and heal procs? yes fury's can produce ok dps but they ARE last in line to recive DPS gear they ARE healers.

Meh, do you want to be healed when you lifeburn you stupid little fuck? Do you want happy motivated healers, or do you just want all the fucking proc loot?

I dont have my Breath of the Destroyer yet but I wouldnt be pissed if I got out bidded by our fury. They would get 20dps zonewide or whatever from it and be a happy bunny. Where is the problem?

Epitaphe · 08-22-2007, 04:55 AM

dirgue won it gratz.

orochan. that swimming lesson sign made my day, it s just awsome i remember reading that fake chapter i couldnt stop laughting.

Lyxson · 08-22-2007, 05:10 AM

What I've determined is everyone on this site is a fucking idiot and NEVER reads the threads, why the fuck do 5 people every page tell the OP to stop whining, JFC.

Carvium · 08-22-2007, 05:15 AM

Huge gratz on the machette.. DIRGE POWA muhahahaha.

Zahne · 08-22-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Twister

Furies have every right to DPS, if they wanted to focus on healing more than DPS then they should have rolled a warden (not bagging on wardens, love you guys)

On that note, I have every right to kick some stupid fury out of my group that thinks they are DPS.

Bottom line, If I'm looking for DPS I'm not picking up a Fury. If I'm looking for a healer, I'll pickup a Fury.

If they think for some stupid reason they're more valuable to the group doing damage, they can go solo. Imho they should look after healing first, and DPS second in all cases.

Mephiston · 08-22-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Zahne

On that note, I have every right to kick some stupid fury out of my group that thinks they are DPS.

Bottom line, If I'm looking for DPS I'm not picking up a Fury. If I'm looking for a healer, I'll pickup a Fury.

If they think for some stupid reason they're more valuable to the group doing damage, they can go solo. Imho they should look after healing first, and DPS second in all cases.

how are there still relics of game states long gone still around like this?

healers, and especially inquisitors and furies, in a SUCESSFULL raid force have time on their hands. in a SUCESSFULL raid force their groups wont be taking a huge amount of damage, so wot do they do?

wank? well mayb but im still gonna dps. ib bid on tank items, zerker weapons anything thatll up my dps in my dps state, and damn right ill bid on healer items too. same as a fury, healer and mage items are good for em.

if your priests dont dps at all, but especially your inquis and fury get sum decent ones.

and grats the dirge, our troub looted the bisected sabre the other night and no one bitched at all. why? cus he earned those points fair and square, yes other members wanted the item, more "damage" classes. but thats not the point. roll with dkp then u accept that eventually sum one with more points is gonna get the item.

drychnath · 08-22-2007, 09:00 AM

As long as you're on DKP, expect this to happen. You said your DKP system was complicated, maybe it's time to rework it. I mean, if SOE can rework combat every other expansion, maybe a guild can work to make the "perfect" dkp system. I'm suprised that with MMO's and guilds being around now for as long as they have been, there isn't a "Standard" DKP system by now. I'm almost as suprised that some game developers haven't implemented raid tracker to their interfaces for DKP purposes. They seem to do so well picking up on other areas players want and usually cobble together themselves.

And as far as the "know your role" crap goes... I don't mind a healer doing dps, as long as it's not affecting their ability to heal... But, The first time the RL shouts 'why the hell were you killed on that AOE, we needed your heals' and the healer goes "um, i was doing DPS" he should be punished. 50 DKP minus! (anyone remember that .mp3?) And then Healers dumping + to heal items because they can get "close" to the same with an adornment and beef up his damage procs. "Oh, i don't mind healing a little less if i can just get on that damage parse list... Wow, is the tank purple? Did all the other healers in the raid dump +heals too?" oops.

There are classes that shouldn't be trying to max DPS. Spend your DKP how you want because you're in a DKP system, but think of this. A shadowknight all in DPS gear suddenly deciding he needs to pickup a stray add that got loose and is whacking the healers. Good idea in theory, but then he gets squished because he's down 1k mit to beef his int and procs. So he's basically a really really bad mage at that point. Not even getting mage numbers for DPS, and not able to actually take a hit... If a raid needs a mage, they're not hard to find.

(I was so rarely used as a tank in T5 that It took me way too long to learn that lesson. We had 8 tanks at the time)

And lastly, the brigs in that raid where the machete dropped.... How did they spend their dkp before? There are plenty of crappy shoppers out there who just go willy nilly and bid on anything that gives them the tiniest bump. is 2dps and a shiny new model worth 50 raids worth of DKP? Especially when tomorrows raid has a chance of dropping an item that can bump you 100+?

Deludar · 08-22-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Davngr

ahem.. im a necro i heal.. but it's not what im in the raid to do im ther to dps.. and when i play my defiler i heal.. if a healer rolls on a dps item that a DPS needs and the item has nothing to do with healing or some kind of a mana proc or casting haste .. he is a tard.. if a necro loots items with heal procs or ministration/ordination he's a tard.. any one that dosent undertand what im saying by now is never going to understad .. and i feel sorry for them and the people they raid with.

This coming from the guy who is guildless and hasn't done any EoF raiding. I know plenty of furies who can probably out DPS you AND keep you alive at the same time. Maybe you should take some time to learn what the classes do before you start trying to tell people who they are "supposed" to be played.

Ohh, and im sure chanters spend the entire raid mezzing mobs too right?