Dants

Exactly. They don't really design any weapons tailored to specific classes, so I guess if they were to, they'd mark them a subclass only weapon. That's the way I was thinking about it.

Edit: Point is, the best weapon for a bard IMO shouldn't be the same as a rogue or assassin.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

Really? Why?

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Widem

look at brawlers specifically, the class itself mechanics and all is great. they do incredible amounts of dps, amazing utility, a great amount of base tanking ability.

then what happens? you throw gear into the mix. through the spectrum cloth through plate any plate tank can use stuff from teh top down whereas brawlers can only use from leather down. it handcuffs item creation and use between tanks just because of some lore aspect.

that lore aspect being brawlers HAVE to use leather and cloth.

perfect examples: soulfire gladius = best defensive tanking 1hs in game which cant be use by brawlers just b/c of some lore aspect.

cuirass of hate = best defensive bp in game cant be used by brawlers b/c of some lore aspect.

then look at the avatar boots that proc stoneskin...they are leather but can also be used by plate tanks, so basically b/c they put restrictions on crap they screw over that class.

if a wizard wants to give up damage to have plate...go for it.
it probably isnt the best decision for them neways.

Dants

If they brought back the fizzle mechanic and made it penalize the wizard for using plate (> cloth), I'd be all for that change.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

You wouldn't give penalties for Brawlers using plate? Why not give restrictions to plate wearers to wear only plate or chain?

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Dants

They do this already. It's called less mitigation with plate avoidance since base uncontested avoidance is class based not armor based anymore.

The problem is that since there is a point of diminishing returns for mitigation, an end game tank can easily swap a out a piece of plate for leather and not notice much of a mitigation difference since he's so high up the curve the 100-200 mit he's isn't doing much.

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Orochan

Zahne, go fuck yourself.

To put limitations on a class that has been given more then one aspect of play style is just fucking stupid. By your logic rogues shouldn't tank, they should be dps, but the reality is rogues can AND do tank all the time in group and raid setups. (tacticians armor anyone?)

The bottom line is your a fucking retard who thinks heals are the only thing healers bring to the group.

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Twister

When it comes to an upgrade for myself you bet your ass courtesy goes out the window. If i wasn't playing this game to better my characters then I have been wasting alot of time and money over the years.

And you again are missing he point, any scout recieving a better weapon than the one they had will get a dps increase. who the fuck are you to dissect the stats on loot and try to determine who best should use it? Wait, you're no one so STFU already.

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Pinski

I guess as an Illusionist I should stop taking any Spell Proc item because I'm not a "true" DPS class then!

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