Trumak

You spelled ass with zz's that's cute. So if killing AI mobs is easymode and we are scrubs where exactly does that place you? I know~ the crack of my ass where there is a piece of shit I missed when wiping. Maybe you can sort my complexion out for me.

Name me one reason why it is impossible to kill Mayong with one faction.

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SniperShot

Or to put it another way... Raid zones on farm status are killed exactly the same way on pvp servers as pve servers. I dont see pvpers bragging about how content is cleared with one faction raids. I see pvers saying how " the fact remains its possible " to clear content with a one faction raid, but you pvers have been raiding with both classes since day one, so wtf do you know about raiding with one faction?

ZILCH.

The op is a bit of a retard but he has a point. And until you circle jerker pve raiders actually clear all of eof content with a one faction raid please refrain with your weaksauce -dkp flames. Consider it a challenge, screenshots or it never happened.

Paikis

You want to know why I'm talking about raiding in EoF legendary? Because aside froma couple pieces of relic and nightchord, EoF legendary is what I have at the moment. I ***HAD*** almost a full set of PvP gear, why would i bother bidding on gear that is worse than what I already had? So then I exile to join a real raiding guild, and now I can't wear my PvP gear. So I'm wearing EoF legendary, switching in nightchord or relic when resists are needed. (note: I do not have a full set of nightchord OR relic, jsut a couple pieces of both.) The reason why i don't have any EoF fabled is that it jsut hasn't dropped for me yet. I know several people in my guild are like this atm. We're still in the gearing up phase. Once we have the gear, I'm sure we'll be able to 3-group MMiS, just like the rest of the PvE guilds.

Until you have the gear though, having all the classes is pretty damned important. Seriously, all you fucktards who are saying it's skill rather than gear that's letting you kill these mobs, go try it with Xegonite. Don't forget to fraps it so I can laugh at your sorry arses when they get handed to you on a plate. Like I said before, the PvE raiders have had fabled gear for so long that you've forgotten just how big the difference between Fabled and mastercrap gear is.

Also, until you've tried raiding on a PvP server, you DONT know what you're talking about, so just STFU about PvP raiding already. You're wrong. DEAL WITH IT!

emdex

waaaaa, u suck , u got owned...get over it

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Paikis

Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Go back and try again. Nobody was 'owned' its a discussion with points on both sides. Except only one side knows anything about raiding on a PvP server. Here's a hint: it's not your side. So STFU.

Lithin

you might think you have some kind of knowledge about it but the fact is that u still havent cleared shit...

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Morara

Other than the rogues (And you can limp along fine without a brigand. Plenty of PvE raids do it every day.), can you really see a win/lose difference in the alignment specific classes?

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LFG

Well, I may not know shit, but I know more about this than you, actually having killed the mobs myself. So you know less than shit.

Do you think the first time we killed these mobs we had all EoF fabled and 100 AAs? Hell no. I didn't have more than 2 set pieces for the first six months of the expansion. The fact is, the first time most of us killed these mobs, we were wearing relic and labs gear, and had 60 to 80 AA.

It's true they become one hell of a lot easier with full EoF gear and 100 AAs, but stop trying to evaluate this situation based on your own shortcomings and lack of accomplishments. The fact is, you don't know what it is that you don't know. You aren't able to kill the shit despite being 10 months into the expansion when many PvE scrub guilds, as you call them, have also had these same mobs on farm status for months.

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Paikis

That may be true, but like i stated earlier, my guild is still in the 'gearing up' process, because we all started from scratch on PvP servers. You guys had a bit of a head-start on us. We'll catch you eventually. And like I said before (how many times do i have to type this before you morons learn to fucking read?) NONE of those classes will make or break a raid, and once you have the gear, you can do without a couple of them. But when you have mostly KoS fabled or EoF legendary, then having all classes is a HUGE advantage. Case in point: NONE of the city-alligned guilds have killed Mayong. Dont insult our intelligence by saying that we're idiots because we play on PvP, alot of us have just as much raid knowledge as you PvE-ers, because we were once PvE-ers as well. We don't yet have the gear to do without classes from both alignments. We will get there though.

And I sitll haven't seen fraps of you guys getting your arse handed to you by the trash in MMiS because you grew a spine and tried to prove that you COULD clear it in Xegonite with only one alignment's toons. You WONT be able to do it, and we all know it.

Pinski

Omg, it's the "huge head-start" argument, AGAIN. Wow, did we have a "huge" head-start on you at the start of EoF? No, not really. End of story. How many times are you guys going to use that argument? Seriously, you're so full of shit on how much of a head start we had on you when EoF came out. What did you do, sit around there and jerk it off?

Let me repeat, there was no head-start when EoF came out, we were all on equal footing. If you couldn't manage to get the same gear as we had(besides contested gear) by the time EoF came out, you just weren't playing the game. We were 95% done gearing up with KoS in July. Occasionally there'd be a rare piece that people would need, but most of it was vendor fodder. With TFD, it added a few new pieces to get. But still, that leaves us with July->November to basically sit around doing nothing, which would mean it took us 5 months to get all the gear we needed. So, if it took you 2 months to get to Level 70, you would have 7 months to get all the gear, which based on the fact it took us 5 months to get up, would mean you have more than enough time and still have time to spare.

Thus we were on equal footing when EoF came out, and there were lots of claims that come EoF PvP raid guilds would be killing shit at the same time as PvE raid guilds. Of course, none of this ever happened, and now you're complaining about being behind, again. Let's see how you do come RoK, I bet you still are far behind even with the fact that we are all starting on an equal footing. Get this, all our gear will be replaced by entry level raids too, so will yours. We all have to Level to 80, so deal with the fact that you will still get steamrolled in PvE raid content even though we start on an equal-footing. Remember this, because you'll be using the head-start card again.

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