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Crychtonn - Bylar · 08-24-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkarius

It's funny how quick the PvE'ers are to be all angry and make fun of PvP'ers who raid. Honestly it boils down to being jealous because we like to experience all of what the game has to offer, as opposed to strutting around freely farming away like bluebies when there's nothing to raid. . . .

/snip the rest of your book

How about you read the thread before writing a book next time. Then you might see that people aren't saying all PvP'ers suck at raid but the cry baby PvP'ers posting early on in this thread suck. That their excuses for sucking were stupid and pathetic. And if they had a clue they could clear the zones they're whiny about.

And if you continued to read you'd find entertaining posts from PvP guilds proving everything they whined about being wrong. Further proving how bad the whiners sucked. But if you feel the need to stick up for shitty players on PvP servers while the better players on both PvE and PvP are ripping them to shreds more power to you.

lost · 08-24-2007, 01:28 PM

There's 3 major reasons city aligned guilds on PvP haven't been able to clear MMiS or clear more than first floor EH:

1.) Not dedicated enough to raid
2.) "Dedicated", but clueless
3.) Too many people in guild

Some guilds may only be 1 of the above, some may be all 3. Most guilds on pvp were formed for pvp, which explains why most are stuck on #1. Lots of people make stupid gear and aa choices thinking they are better for one reason or another (sure I lose a damage proc, but 12 more int is good, right????). Finally, there are no city aligned guilds that have relatively small rosters that can keep semi-static group setups, gear more quickly, and not have to re-explain encounters every time they do them.

In the history of exiled guilds on Nagafen, besides Darkhand and Den of Madness, all of the guilds were formed primarily to raid successfully. Just like their pve counterparts, they have recruited players that want to be successful at raiding as well, and they generally do not suffer from the same faults that their city counterparts have.

gungo · 08-24-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lost

There's 3 major reasons city aligned guilds on PvP haven't been able to clear MMiS or clear more than first floor EH:

1.) Not dedicated enough to raid
2.) "Dedicated", but clueless
3.) Too many people in guild

Some guilds may only be 1 of the above, some may be all 3. Most guilds on pvp were formed for pvp, which explains why most are stuck on #1. Lots of people make stupid gear and aa choices thinking they are better for one reason or another (sure I lose a damage proc, but 12 more int is good, right????). Finally, there are no city aligned guilds that have relatively small rosters that can keep semi-static group setups, gear more quickly, and not have to re-explain encounters every time they do them.

In the history of exiled guilds on Nagafen, besides Darkhand and Den of Madness, all of the guilds were formed primarily to raid successfully. Just like their pve counterparts, they have recruited players that want to be successful at raiding as well, and they generally do not suffer from the same faults that their city counterparts have.

So how about just being less restrictive in the good vs evil classification.

Just alow both brawlers, both rogues, both enchanters, and both shaman into freeport and qeynos. This willl solve 90% of the issues in pvp city based restrictions on raiding. Also those classes can easily be considered good or evil based on lore.

Brawlers are fighting technique not alignment
pirates and rogues can be good or evil
Enchanters and neither inherently good or evil
and shaman and neither good nor evil by nature.

It is an easy fix and doesnt effect PVE.

Crychtonn - Bylar · 08-24-2007, 01:45 PM

According to the guy from Europa they have cleared MiS and they are a city aligned guild. So while most may fit into your list at least one has stepped out of it and shown that it can be done.

lost · 08-24-2007, 01:54 PM

I'm saying that they (besides Europa I guess?) have not gotten their shit together yet. Everything is perfectly beatable with only the classes available in one faction or another. PvP servers don't need to be fixed for raiding.

Arkarius · 08-24-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylee

Go play on a real server then.

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Originally Posted by Pylon

I'd be willing to bet at any top PvE guild, equally geared as your raid..could clear all content with only one faction.

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Originally Posted by Choadley

I would venture far enough to say that more then every server's top guild could easily kill MMIS and EH with all Freeport's with no issues what so ever. Those encounters are not difficult in any way. Hell, let's go further and say some server's 2nd and 3rd best guilds could still do it with one city's characters.

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Originally Posted by LFG

Well, if the encounters can ALL be beaten by a top PvE guild with 18 players atm, they can surely be beaten by 24 players from one city wearing crappy gear.

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Originally Posted by Pylon

I think we should all go buy mastercrafted, with only qeynos or freeport classes and go do MMIS.

This is what I was talking about, btw. We have a lot more to do on a PvP server than just raid, and unless you have a guild purely dedicated to raiding a lot of these encounters are difficult. If you're listening to the exiles about raiding on a PvP server, don't. They have it just as easy as you except for when it comes to contested.

You guys have no idea what contested is.

Arkarius · 08-24-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakis

My previous Exile guild was a PvP based guild, not raiding - and we were number two as far as PvE accomplishments on the server. I have grouping with and helping my current guild for about 8 months now.

Btw, do us all a favor and quit already.

O RLY?

Arkarius · 08-24-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saleen

No dank you're the clueless one here. We are ahead in some aspects and behind in some other aspects as far as city raiding alone goes. Inspect one of my guildmates sunday you'll be suprised to see a fable sod wep in hand.

So which exiled guild did he come from? Got a name handy? I'm calling bullshit.

Crychtonn - Bylar · 08-24-2007, 03:53 PM

Not going to waste my day going back and quoting all the posts the above are in responses to. But outside of the first, they were all responding to a couple PvP'ers crying that MiS couldn't be done with one city faction. Which it turns out has already been proven wrong by a city aligned guild on a PvP server.

So outside of the first quote which I'll give you all the others are valid responses to a couple PvP players that just suck at raiding. Why? because a PvP guild already came here and disproved all their claims that it can't be done.

I have no problem with PvP players, just PvP players that suck and cry and whine excuses for why they can't do things. And I'd rip on any PvE players that came in with piss poor excuses also.

Arkarius · 08-24-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Petgroup

I'd take any member of Second Dawn or Dissolution and match them up with a clone of the same class on pvp. Same spells gear, everything possible.

Give the SD/Disso member rez effects and they would still flat out own any PVP player.

Now tell me its the gear. Cuz it ain't.

Umm tell you what isn't the gear? Just because you typed your opinion doesn't mean a goddamned thing. Being a good raider does not make you a good PvPer, don't care how well you know your class for PvE.