Game Balance made by me - Page 2

RadarX · 10-18-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishbu

Here is my take on the classes and what I think should happen:

Templar - Great class, wouldnt change a thing.

Inquisitor - This class gets a bad wrap but they are a great dps group healer. Perhaps give them a little better healing to come closer to a templar..

Anyways, that is how I would change the classes to hopefully achieve balance. Of course if all this happened I think some would be overpowered again so I would go through it one or two classes at a time. What do you think?

Templar? *thumbs up* Good assessment.

I don't see much need for increasing Inq healing. Kiara (yes I'm dragging you into it) and I are fairly similarly equipped and the parsing I've done has us healing pretty close. I don't get those fancy DPS buffs and debuffs, just some lotto crap that may or may not be worth it. With the combat changes though, our mitigation buffs will become more valuable so I see these two classes on par for where they should be.

I'd like to see them toss the lotto deal on our Mark and Involuntary Healer line. If they proc 10% of time? Reduce what they do by 90% and make them proc all the time. Or hell even 50%. A 5-10% chance to do something really isn't worth the casting time .

Maall · 10-18-2006, 12:50 PM

1st off i have 2 lvl 70 chars and currently lvl'ing illus

best buffs? we have 3 Bria,Screeching Illus,Hyrann

and if you could read i never asked for dps i want better scaling fo our spells..and the abillity to use them not the same ones all the time

wish i had the time to explain all this to you but you prob wouldnt believe facts anyway ,because you have made your mind so be it

btw tombs calm take a concentration slot and cant be used due to the fact of the other buffs being used...12 % please look at other scouts spells which blow that away(its a mute point cant use it anyway)

Darktizzle · 10-18-2006, 12:56 PM

HI I HAVE A FUCKING DIRGE NOTHING YOU SAID IS NEWS

you bitch about scaling. Shit man, my group buff master got like a 10 point upgrade from the previous tier. Ill log on when I get home to check the exact numbers. If you cry for scaling cry for all of classes scaling, not dirges. Also a 1200 mit debuff got upgraded to 1600. Ooh, so good after a tier without an upgrade. I bet mobs mit got higher than 400 more. I know mine did.

What fact is there that helps your case? That you have to use concentration slots? Its a game mechanic, dood.

Tell me your not the best buff class, and why you should deserve an upgrade.

Other scout spells that are a % chance to proc are self buffs only. You get a GROUP BUFF.

So say a scout is lucky enough to get a 50% proc chance.(I know.)
But, all you get is 6 seperate insatnces of a 12%. Man, how weak. 72% chance to proc sucks. (yes I know a healer may take a slot, or two, but still, they CAN use it.)
Your right, facts are stupid. Just buff dirges up.

Maall · 10-18-2006, 01:03 PM

upgrade? I dont want an upgrade i want 25% of 60% dps that has been nerfed out of the class back is that too dam much? or make the self buff and single target buff concentration slot free,is that too much?

i think not !!!!

i can parse in 700 depending on how encounter goes ...but i want flexibility to choose those buff atm there is none plain and simple...and given that flexibility and choosing i could prob parse near 900 with no changes other than that

i can see where that would make bards classes soooo over powered ...give me a break...and i want get into math with because you assuming peeps using it(surprise MT dirge dont or should not) there are better things that add to avoid if only 1% to keep tank up

and btw isnt a dirge a Scout class and by definition supposed to DPS hhmmm

kyros · 10-18-2006, 01:14 PM

if wardens need anything, it's not in the heals department.
it's everything else that needs looked at.

Niber · 10-18-2006, 01:29 PM

Dirges are not alright. Yes, I play a Dirge.

We're needed because of hate and mana regen.

If you think those two things counteract the fact we don't do dps, and we're extremely boring -- then I guess you could say we're fine.

I'm hopeful the new mechanics will make us worthwhile then maybe some of our buffs will matter. Parry song is completely worthless on orange cons, stoneskin doesn't proc near enough on single mobs and I have no use for the AGI/STR buff because everyone towers way over the cap wearing just their normal gear.

We're mana regen and hate buff follow bots. There should be more to our class.

Maall · 10-18-2006, 01:51 PM

ty Nib

someone who knows the class

Kaitlin · 10-18-2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niber

Dirges are not alright. Yes, I play a Dirge.

We're needed because of hate and mana regen.

If you think those two things counteract the fact we don't do dps, and we're extremely boring -- then I guess you could say we're fine.

I'm hopeful the new mechanics will make us worthwhile then maybe some of our buffs will matter. Parry song is completely worthless on orange cons, stoneskin doesn't proc near enough on single mobs and I have no use for the AGI/STR buff because everyone towers way over the cap wearing just their normal gear.

We're mana regen and hate buff follow bots. There should be more to our class.

I agree, everynight its Screeching, Percussion, Hyran's, Brias and either tombs/boon depending on the zone. How fun :smileysad: I'd like a little more dps, but on average I'm right around 600-700 in a standard MT group. Would be nice if Death Bearer didn't take a slot, that 130 int at master 1, would come in handy :smiley-very-happy:

Darktizzle · 10-18-2006, 02:00 PM

"Dirges are not alright. Yes, I play a Dirge.

We're needed because of hate and mana regen.

If you think those two things counteract the fact we don't do dps, and we're extremely boring -- then I guess you could say we're fine.

I'm hopeful the new mechanics will make us worthwhile then maybe some of our buffs will matter. Parry song is completely worthless on orange cons, stoneskin doesn't proc near enough on single mobs and I have no use for the AGI/STR buff because everyone towers way over the cap wearing just their normal gear.

We're mana regen and hate buff follow bots. There should be more to our class.'

Dirges are alright. They ARE boring. You dont do dps. You are technically a scout, however, I consider scouts poison worthy. You are not. It could help your dps sure, but have you ever evaluated why you dont get it? Because your buffs are insane. Now, you complain your buffs dont matter due to caps. That is about to be elimaited. Stoneskin of any % is an obvious buff to keep up. You are not hate/mana bots really. Because anyone who raids seriously doesnt want that kind of slack, you should be doing at least 500 dps. WHich helps the overall raid, while still giving sweet buffs to groups. Dont forget COB, which kind of requires you to be there, not botted. Plus who can forget dirgeheal? Cmon that thing is sweet, ish.

Plus I never said bards were overpowered. Im agreeing, for once with isbu in regards to balancing. Bards are where they should be, accordingly.

( knowing less about troubs, I dont want to really talk about them, but they are very similar in deagros for mages, procs etc.)

Snark · 10-18-2006, 02:01 PM

New mechanics DO make dirges a lot more useful, so unless you understand how things are going to be changed its probably not worth thinking about until they are finalized/made public (if they aren't already)