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Old 12-04-2006, 06:12 PM  
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So are you argueing that you can't keep your health up above 98% at all times because of archlich or what? The drain has never been a problem on my necro except when solo'ing. And to stay on topic, I would say necro is the number one easiest class to do good dps on, but not even in the top 5 to do maximum dps on.
No I never said I personally couldn't keep my health up or above 98% at all times, I said that the mage pet's heals didn't negate the drain...because the original statement was made that the mage pet's heals could seemingly do so.

On topic...
1. assassin
2. swash/brig
3. wizard
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:56 PM  
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Now you're bringing in a whole new variable into the discussion. Those are outside forces acting upon the necro, it's like arguing about guardians being able to live longer than a berzerker when the guardian has a defiler warding and healing him.
If the necro and the wizard are in the same group, then the group healer keeps them both equally at full, and the group regen gives them each the same power. Which is why I don't bother to stress the aspect further.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:44 AM  
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I like seeing people talk about necro's being the overpowered of the 2 summoners for once
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:51 AM  
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Anyone that understands MMOs and raiding can usually pick up on the basics of any class as they already know the fundamentals and utilize the class well.

Why it's always a joy to make alts with other ppl in your guild or other good raiding guilds on your server etc.


I've played SK, Cleric, Wizard in EQ1 raiding and Templar in EQ2 raiding among other various MMOs.

Any class can be played to a satisfactory level in a raid, that would be just doing your job.

Playing a class well is about understanding the game as a whole, once you understand the basics of Fantasy tank healer dps crowd control MMOs then each one falls into place. Someone that understands the game, the raids and the other classes around them will play better because they are attuned to more of whats going on around them, they are preparing to help with things they are predicting.

For example, someone said MT group healer was simple, target MT and press heal which was rightly shot down.

In a raid, MT group usually and when not I would be healing various people, not just otehr tanks but dps and utility too, watching the other healers, looking at who it is that needs help and then choosing which spell they most likely need just from their name in the raid window and their bars. Watching the other healers mana bars and looking for who may need assistance first.

One thing EQ1 was good for teaching good healers was prediction. Some nub dps may tell you healers are easy, but Im casting my heal for said nub dps before he realises he's about to take dmg.


Dps may seem easy and on the whole Id say dps is slightly easier than the rest in terms of fundamentals of the classes, they still have to react and be aware of things but not as many things and sometimes less important things yet sometimes just as important things, a nub dps can get a raid wiped for example.

Being good at playing a dps class isnt just about pumping out the most dps though, any good dps knows they should not be the masters of damage but the master's of aggro control. Doing as much as they can while staying in control at the peak possible safe aggro.

Tanks have to monitor the raid just like the rest should, can always tell a crap tank in a group because they simply focus on the mob and spam taunt while some add is on the dps or healer and the chat box is being spammed for help, its not till you run the mob infront of the fat barbarian fuck that he realises and promtly engages and aggro's it after the first mob died and your down to 20M ^_^

All in all, anyone thats good at raiding and good at MMOs is good at most classes and can play each or most classes to their max potential with their understanding of everything.

In EQ1 I thought Chanter was the hardest class to play, be a chanter and break into Fear when it was still normal content, or solo break into it with a small raid soon after it wasn't Still funs!

In EQ2 I dunno really as many classes lost their potency from EQ1, many aspects were dumbed down or things like CC were spread around a lot in diff forms. Raid Healer, CC, Tank together with Raid DPS close behind prolly.


Still can't decide what to be in Vanguard tho =/

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Old 12-05-2006, 04:05 AM  
Help DoT classes in '08!
 
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I like seeing people talk about necro's being the overpowered of the 2 summoners for once

<tries to shift attention> Let's talk about conjys and planeshift and blazing avatar.
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:22 AM  
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Ever played an Inquisitor. Wow, it is so sad how easy it is. You have 3 or 4 debuffs that are very easy to keep on.

Single target small heal
Single target big heal
Single target combat heal
group combat heal
group heal

Fanatacism and Fast cast aa require no skill.

Verdict although important isnt hard to hit on a mob at 2%.

And OMFG

Put your power buff/spell on a rouge .(swash for me) and jesus you never run out of power . literally , you sit there watching you power go down a little from casting everything you have then wach it pop back up x4 with the swash going crazy.

Such an easy class
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:32 AM  
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<tries to shift attention> Let's talk about conjys and planeshift and blazing avatar.
U are retarded....

Plane Shift
Blazing Avatar ... ok?

Lifeburn
Infinate power( adept 3 or master Arch Linch) and its a damage proc!!
Undead tide
and much better pet buffs and 1 more then conjurors.

Conjuror offensive stance. increases int by 147, haste by 54 , and slashing etc skills by a non important ammount.

and since the scout pet is useless almsot in comparason to the necro assassin pet. conjurors use mage pet . witch although equils out the diffrence doesnt equil out when the other buff we can put on it "ember seed " does not proc off of spells. hince necro advantage. so we are buffing other scouts

Necro offensive stance. Heal , where your pet sits there (%10 for like 400-500 ) and can keep itself alive through ae's and its even better since necro's use scout pet and a damage proc............

and they get a beserk skill buff that makes up for the dps and haste the conjuror buff has.

Both classes get the exact debuff buff for the pet. except Type of damage is switched for the appropriate class.

but yea. soe made us from

"the one class in the raid with the tank pet up all the time for everything" T5 raiding

to...

Fucking uber ass class that owns with every pet, has huge ae's and needs to be nufed . t6 raiding

to....

sill ok class that relies mainly on mage pet, and still wins ae fights , losing to single target undead tide burns. t7 kos raiding

to...

.... well we got a healer pet and thats all that we got that was good....necros can have lifeburn and .... conjurors can ...heal . T7 eof raiding

jesus =S
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Old 12-08-2006, 08:03 AM  
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Yeah Ill go with that, conjurors suck!
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Old 12-08-2006, 10:21 AM  
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U are retarded....

Plane Shift
Blazing Avatar ... ok?

Lifeburn
Infinate power( adept 3 or master Arch Linch) and its a damage proc!!
Undead tide
and much better pet buffs and 1 more then conjurors.

Conjuror offensive stance. increases int by 147, haste by 54 , and slashing etc skills by a non important ammount.

and since the scout pet is useless almsot in comparason to the necro assassin pet. conjurors use mage pet . witch although equils out the diffrence doesnt equil out when the other buff we can put on it "ember seed " does not proc off of spells. hince necro advantage. so we are buffing other scouts

Necro offensive stance. Heal , where your pet sits there (%10 for like 400-500 ) and can keep itself alive through ae's and its even better since necro's use scout pet and a damage proc............

and they get a beserk skill buff that makes up for the dps and haste the conjuror buff has.

Both classes get the exact debuff buff for the pet. except Type of damage is switched for the appropriate class.

but yea. soe made us from

"the one class in the raid with the tank pet up all the time for everything" T5 raiding

to...

Fucking uber ass class that owns with every pet, has huge ae's and needs to be nufed . t6 raiding

to....

sill ok class that relies mainly on mage pet, and still wins ae fights , losing to single target undead tide burns. t7 kos raiding

to...

.... well we got a healer pet and thats all that we got that was good....necros can have lifeburn and .... conjurors can ...heal . T7 eof raiding

jesus =S

1) it was a joke

2) plane shift is useable in alot more situations than UDT (mezzed encounters) and AE destroys UDT

3) wish I could buff my mage pet's INT, guess that's the trade-off for my mage pet still being able to use all procs

4) not my fault you chose to play the frilly gay version of the class (Freeport > Qeynos)

5) And yea...Lifeburn fucking rocks.

Does that heal pet you have still heal the mobs as well?
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Old 12-08-2006, 12:34 PM  
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I think the discussion is sort of stupid. I mean any idiot can jump behind a toon and play the class, what's hard is mastering the class. Mastering the class is what makes someone good at this game.

I know I play a brigand. Brigands are a joke to play, but then again on the other side of it I've seen people speak of where brigands parse and it's 2/3 of my dps. Getting that extra third is what makes you a good player.

For the class that seems hardest to master, I'd say it's assassin and ranger. I've seen zonewide parses for assassins where they're killer dps. I've seen zonewides where they suck. It seems like it takes more skill to play the class to it's potential. Healers can be hard to master too. There's a world of difference between a great healer and a shit one.
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