Easiest Class? Voice your opinion! - Page 5

Ishbu · 10-23-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scafloc

Well you've seen lots of my parses, and I've not seen any troubador who outparsed me, so I think I can count myself as one of the 1/10 bards who knew what they were doing...

Using the right buffs is nothing - Raxxyls, Haste, Mana, Deagro, Procs. If you can read that and copy it, grats on having the optimal buff setup.

Apart from that you're just pumping out DPS and using Jesters and POTM. How is that any different to a brigand maximising his DPS and timing his debuffs correctly? You've said that bards are the hardest class, and brigands are the easiest, when there's really no difference. To get the most out of Jesters you need to coordinate it with the brigands, which takes just as much skill on their part, PotM you just use on encounters of 3+, it's not rocket science.

The only thing which was any challenge was my AOE avoidance, most of the time I was able to use bladedance or turnstrike to avoid nearly every AOE, which allowed me to stay in as much as the brigands, probably the biggest factor in my DPS.

Bards are nearly as effective on autofollow or just standing at ranged. That doesn't mean it's especially hard to play them well, just that majority of bards are lazy.

Because you still need to time bladedance, put jesters on people, time PoM, joust AE's to maximze yourself. A brigand just has to stand there and make sure not to hit dispatch at the same time as another brigand and then hti their skills. They dont run around buffing people, dodge ae's and time other shit. All they do is focus on their skills without even planning to get knocked around by an AE.

TANGARTH · 10-23-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Because you still need to time bladedance, put jesters on people, time PoM, joust AE's to maximze yourself. A brigand just has to stand there and make sure not to hit dispatch at the same time as another brigand and then hti their skills. They dont run around buffing people, dodge ae's and time other shit. All they do is focus on their skills without even planning to get knocked around by an AE.

if you're a bad brigand i guess :P

there's timing and positioning to consider if you want to help the raids dps and your own.

yes brigand got turned into an easymode class, but i would say a bard or enchanter is way less hard.

Ishbu · 10-24-2006, 12:21 AM

Brigand is an easy version of swashbuckler. Swashbuckler isnt hard by any means. After playing a dirge, doing it well is much harder.

Pacc · 10-24-2006, 01:59 AM

What Ishbu said is true about a bard being a hard class to play at least to dps well. Im not saying its the hardest cause its true that you can buff then afk/auto attack.

As far as doing good dps as a bard (least for a troub cause thats what I am) that can be chalenging. Myself and some other troubs I speak to occasionally parse 850 zone wide (least from the parses I have been shown). higher in lyceum =).

That is a low number compared to what other classes do dps wise but it does let you know that since few do it - it can be difficult.

side note - I totally agree with you all that playin a bard is extremely boring.

Anarke · 10-24-2006, 02:01 AM

One thing I find hilarious about assassins in general is the huge damage range between them. You can easily have one assassin doing 1.5k and another equally equipped assassin doing 1k, without being AFK. Honestly I don't understand, the class might require timing, positioning, and focus. But by no means is it difficult. It just astounds me how someone with better gear then me in every aspect is doing 60-70% of my dps.....zonewide. :mad:

Scafloc · 10-24-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Because you still need to time bladedance, put jesters on people, time PoM, joust AE's to maximze yourself. A brigand just has to stand there and make sure not to hit dispatch at the same time as another brigand and then hti their skills. They dont run around buffing people, dodge ae's and time other shit. All they do is focus on their skills without even planning to get knocked around by an AE.

You don't need to joust if you have turnstrike, PotM doesn't need timing, it's best used at the start of multi-mob encounters and that's it, there's no skill there. How is using Jester's hard? You just target someone and cast it.

I played a troub since release, raiding most of that time, and I don't see any challenge. Yeah, most troubs are shitty players who'd prefer to stand back with their bow saying the class sucks and underpowered, but that doesn't make it hard to maximise yourself.

Desann · 10-24-2006, 09:13 AM

Brigands are not the easiest by a longshot, the fact we don't need to watch AEs is negated by the fact we need to watch aggro more. We have a proc for a hate reduction, Assassins/swashies get a flat rate transfer they can put on a low hate class (or a wizard if you don't like him). Rangers just get an outright reduction, and bards couldn't pull aggro if they tried. My hate reduction proc is M1 and my hideaway/elude adept 3, and even doubling elude/hide up I can still pull aggro if I'm unlucky with deaggro poison/reduction proc.

As was said, Bards are the easiest. They only need to put autofollow on and depending on the subclass occasionally toss jester on someone or rez someone.

Pinski · 10-24-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Desann

Brigands are not the easiest by a longshot, the fact we don't need to watch AEs is negated by the fact we need to watch aggro more. We have a proc for a hate reduction, Assassins/swashies get a flat rate transfer they can put on a low hate class (or a wizard if you don't like him). Rangers just get an outright reduction, and bards couldn't pull aggro if they tried. My hate reduction proc is M1 and my hideaway/elude adept 3, and even doubling elude/hide up I can still pull aggro if I'm unlucky with deaggro poison/reduction proc.

As was said, Bards are the easiest. They only need to put autofollow on and depending on the subclass occasionally toss jester on someone or rez someone.

Maybe get a Troubador in your group, and you won't have to watch your aggro, or try having the Coercer in the MT group put Harminous Link on you? Either of those make your aggro problems more or less vanish with a good tank.

Scafloc · 10-24-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Desann

As was said, Bards are the easiest. They only need to put autofollow on and depending on the subclass occasionally toss jester on someone or rez someone.

That's not how you play a bard properly though.

MeridianR · 10-24-2006, 09:54 AM

Paladins are simple to play half ass - unless you OT (which I did a lot of), then as Ishbu said, you have to know when to switch around stances, equipments, amends, etc...but that holds true for any OT, not just a Paladin.