Easiest Class? Voice your opinion! - Page 9

Morara · 12-04-2006, 09:31 AM

The masters drop pretty easy, except for the pets. I lucked up and found my mage pet on the cheap, and my tank pet dropped in HoS, but I'm still too poor to buy my scout pet.

Other than that, I lack maybe 2 masters.

Malignx · 12-04-2006, 10:36 AM

Sooo the answer then lies in if Archlich is overpowered compared to Nova, Destruction, Apoc, Fanatacism, etc. :p

kyros · 12-04-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignx

Sooo the answer then lies in if Archlich is overpowered compared to Nova, Destruction, Apoc, Fanatacism, etc. :p

yep... and it is.

Malignx · 12-04-2006, 11:48 AM

Compared to a nuke capable of like 25k damage every 45ish seconds? :p

Necromancers are built to use a ridiculous ammount of power, and again, w/o AL we are OOP before any other class. >_<

Valanthe · 12-04-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignx

Sooo the answer then lies in if Archlich is overpowered compared to Nova, Destruction, Apoc, Fanatacism, etc. :p

Just as a reference point, here's a list of the spells for each class that update at 50 and then again at 70. (70 names used)

Mages
Necromancer- Archlich
Conjuror- Blazing Avatar
Wizard- Ice Nova
Warlock- Apocalypse
Illusionist- Solar Shower
Coercer- Sonic Boom

Scouts
Brigand- Devitalize
Swashbuckler- Inspiration
Ranger- Rain of Arrows
Assassin- Decapitate
Troubadour- Reverie
Dirge- Banshee

Healers
Fury- Urchin
Warden- Hierophantic Advent
Defiler- Maelstrom
Mystic- Oberon Barrier
Inquisitor- Fanaticism
Templar- Focused Intercession

Fighters
Guardian- Stone Sphere
Berzerker- Destruction
Paladin- Brimstone
Shadowknight- Despoil
Bruiser- Savage Bruising
Monk- Silencing Palm

To me, it looks like it's just a matter of some classes getting a better spell than others. It's just the way it goes. Certain classes got raped in the whole giving out of abilities at L50 (Troubadours come to mind, what with getting a mez and all), and mage classes got spells that support what they do.

I don't see Archlich as overpowered personally, and I'm not biased from the point of looking through a Necro's eyes either. I see a lot more of the L70 definers as being underwhelming rather than Archlich being overpowered.

Sciomar · 12-04-2006, 11:54 AM

LOL!! Archlich overpowered my arse, it just comes down to the necro being able to obtain more power pool increasing items or being in the right group with power enhancing buffs (either power pool or regen). And if any item has an added bit of FT that just ups the anty even more in favor of us. Just look over the necro in your raid force's inventory, chances are he's equiped himself to be the equivalent of the energizer bunny.
The only thing overpowering about necros, or summoners of both types for the matter is the ability to maintain constant/high dps with less aggro versus sorcerer types, but that is more a flaw in the way sorcerers were designed.

Valanthe · 12-04-2006, 12:13 PM

Question about Archlich and FT.

Does Archlich pretty much mean that you don't need a ton of FT, especially if you have any sort of regen in your group, or is the Regen still important enough to the point where you need a buttload of FT in addition of Archlich to prevent running out of power?

Edit: Summoners vs. Sorcerors is a bad way to gauge things because the Sorcs don't have a pet to assist in their DPS. Not saying that it's good or bad, but it does help in terms of aggro control, things of that nature.

Sciomar · 12-04-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Valanthe

Question about Archlich and FT.

Does Archlich pretty much mean that you don't need a ton of FT, especially if you have any sort of regen in your group, or is the Regen still important enough to the point where you need a buttload of FT in addition of Archlich to prevent running out of power?

Edit: Summoners vs. Sorcerors is a bad way to gauge things because the Sorcs don't have a pet to assist in their DPS. Not saying that it's good or bad, but it does help in terms of aggro control, things of that nature.

I generally don't waste dkp on FT items unless the other stats are really nice or there is an additional benefit (proc, deaggro). The FT regen is nice to have for the really long fights, I have been OOP on a few fights in my character's lifespan. However using Archlich we sacrifice our own HP and many of our spells sacrifice our own HP to use and sustain...it's very possible for a necro to kill themselves off in some fights, so the argument is nice power regen with sacrifice of HP overtime and possible death vs equip alot of FT to have decent power regen and no HP loss overtime or possible death from your own spells.

The Summoner vs Sorcerer was made because of the wizard posting about archlich being overpowered. High damage nukes and done relatively quickly with inability to regen power on the same level as a necro vs low damage DoTs with the ability to regen power like no other and sustain those DoTs over long fights. The aggro part being think of the pet as a DoT, a sustained DoT that when it reaches it's last tic/ dies sends all aggro built up straight to the summoner just as when a large nuke or high dmg DoT from a sorcerer lands on the mob sends all aggro generated straight to the sorcerer.

Valanthe · 12-04-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciomar

I generally don't waste dkp on FT items unless the other stats are really nice or there is an additional benefit (proc, deaggro). The FT regen is nice to have for the really long fights, I have been OOP on a few fights in my character's lifespan.

The Summoner vs Sorcerer was made because of the wizard posting about archlich being overpowered. High damage nukes and done relatively quickly with inability to regen power on the same level as a necro vs low damage DoTs with the ability to regen power like no other and sustain those DoTs over long fights. The aggro part being think of the pet as a DoT, a sustained DoT that when it reaches it's last tic/ dies sends all aggro built up straight to the summoner just as when a large nuke or high dmg DoT from a sorcerer lands on the mob sends all aggro generated straight to the sorcerer.

Firstly, thanks for the first part, cleared up a misconception I had about the spell, as I wasn't completely sure how the spell worked. As an Illu I'm used to power regen and never dropping too low unless I'm not watching, but I wear a bit of FT gear as well, so I wasn't sure if it was something needed with Archlich or if it was more powerful than our 42/tick regen.

Secondly, Wizards always seem to whine about everything being overpowered, so I prob. took that out of context. I just seem to see a lot more wizards pulling aggro than I do summoners (Lifeburning Necros excepted, of course). Maybe I've played with shitty wizards, not really sure.

Sciomar · 12-04-2006, 12:51 PM

I edited my last post like right after I posted it and before you got yours in...srry.

The Archlich buff at master does 2% power regen of the total power pool at the cost of HP which is determined by the individual's own health pool or STA ( I haven't messed around with this aspect of the buff to see where it comes from) so a necro with a total power pool of 5k gets a regen of 100 whereas a necro with a power pool of 8k gets a regen of 160.

Alot of the necro spells now and future ones to come have HP costs which is what we sacrifice for the power regen. The AE immunity for pet, Lifeburn, Undead Tide, and our heals ( pet and friend) so while our power pool may not budge much, our HP is dropping and raising constantly (well any necro who is making full use of all abilities) but you may not notice so much if you have great healers in the raid.

As a side note, using Undead Tide and Lifeburn together, while being awesome to watch damage wise, is an assured way to kill oneself off quickly.