Schmoogles

Your just an idiot for putting them both in the same sentence still. They are completly two different things but they are both against the EULA.

How is logging my toon in to kill a contested a personal RL gain? My toon doesn't get any in game gain from it. I'm maxed out on everything and every bit of gear I need. The only thing I gain from this is that I don't have to hear some other guild bragging they killed a contested. That doesn't give me any real life money though.

Logging me in to get a quest update before I finished everything was a personal gain because I finished those quests so yea your right there but finishing a quest doesn't earn me real life money like a "bot" or third party program.

My point is this a "bot" or third party program is not the same as account sharing. Period.

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Calthine

In that they are both against they EULA, they are exactly the same.

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Rinion

Man I didn't even have to point it out! thanks Calthine!

and Schmoogles you are still WRONG.

Why Do I find myself repeating myself? are all gnomes this hard headed? Hell bent on you being right with this Real life Gain bull shit?

LISTEN.
What does a Bot Do? PLAYS YOU WHILE YOUR AFK
What does account sharing do? PLAYS YOU WHILE YOU ARE AFK, with a little more efficiency (Less in the case of some players)

SO! What the Fuck is the difference? The Basics are the same REGARDLESS OF ANYONE RL GAINING.

Also on a side note! Even if YOU are maxed out, is the person playing you maxed? Is everyone in your guild maxed out on that mob? one way or another someone is benefitting, and if someone isn't and your just killing it to cock block other guilds..well that's a whole other story and the reason Sony introduced Gay instancing in Plane of Time.

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Schmoogles

I even said they both break the EULA. I also said a bot profits from real life money from the game. No one profits in real life from account sharing. I get no money in real life for having someone play my toon to get a contested.

You have not explained to me how I profit with real life money from account sharing. Like a bot or third party program does. You keep telling me they are both afk blah, blah blah...That's doesn't still tell me how by me being afk when I'm account sharing that I make money in real life with account sharing. You just keep repeating yourself with afk blah blah..

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Rinion

Allright listen up. Its not all about you turn cute mode off and take the dicks out of your mouth. Just because you are maxed out does not mean the majority of account sharers are, and many of them share accounts to get quest updates when they cant be there. how do they profit? how do you profit? well now that they have finished Deathtoll access and get there spify reward there worth that much more when they decide to sell.
also in your case! now that your guild is able to kill X mob because they had there uber afk account shared templar there you will be able to bid on gear and make your toon worth that much more if you decide to sell.

now lets counter some bullshit. 'But im allready maxed out' Where you allways maxed out? will you still be maxed out in EoF? NO.

Just because YOU dont benefit from account sharing doesn't mean the majority of people that do it don't benefit.

Will you sell your charcter? Maybe, Maybe not.
Do people that Bot Sell Plat? Maybe, Maybe not.

Just because YOU do it does not make it right and just because you arent going to sell your charcter and profit from it does not mean Someone Wont.

They are the same exact god damn thing because someone CAN Profit from it.

But again they are the same god damn thing BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE ACCOUNT OWNER PLAYING AFK.

We done now? or are you going to reply with some more bull shit trying to make it all about you? How you do it so it MUST BE OK and not the same as botting because I dont profit from it?

lets go over it once more for that thick gnome skull
Definitions:

Bot - a Program used to play an account while the owner is AFK
Account sharing - Sharing ones account so it may be played while the owner is afk.

do you agree to these definitions?

If so tell me! explain why they are different with something that ISNT I dont personaly profit. Please Anyone! Explain it. looks like to me the account is being played while the owner is afk either way.

Someone besides the gnome? put in there 2 cents? Im really sick of the same stupid reply from this gnome going on and on about how he does not profit so its not the same thing.

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Schmoogles

Your an idiot !!

When I say me I'm actually going to say most and all hard core raiding guild account share. The ONLY way that we profit from account sharing like you said is if we sell our account. That's the ONLY way we profit with real life money.


Bots or third party programs do not have to sell there toon or they just max out there level sell there toon, start over or they just max out there level and start farming and selling plat.

Bots are selling plat all the time. A raider sells there toon when they quit the game or just get bored with it.

Yes they are both afk, yes they are both against the EULA. But again my point is here is that a bot makes money every week. A hardcore raider from a raiding guild will only sell his toon once. So I can only profit from this once as a bot can or could have profited 104 weeks since this game has been live. There is a big difference.

Your point is they are both afk blah blah blah. Doesn't matter I can only profit when and if I ever sell my toon. Bots can profit everyday.

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Grrrrrrrrl

the way i see it. bot programs work when NO ONE is physically there.. sharing account infoz means someone is operating the character.. if against the eula so be it. but it is by far the lesser of two evils..
whats worse logging in your friends toon to get an update on the cardivinigan(sp) in bonemire? or having a program automatically log in your toon at the specified time it will spawn and kill it, and then log off again? hmm....

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Schmoogles

lol

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Rinion

listen. put 'hardcore raiding' aside. it isnt about play style, and it isnt about you.

the facts simply are, that they are both account owner AFK playing.

you think there arent people out there that account share to farm instances and make money?

Yes a bot is most commonly used to farm cash.
Yes a account share is most commonly used to raid.
BUT an account share Can Easily be used to farm cash as well.
AND dont think for a second you CANT bot on a raid.

you think its hard? bot program for a bard /group buff 1 2 3 4
*condition* when mobs health <95% /assist /useability /useability /useability
*condition* /accept Rez /cycle /rebuff blah blah blah.

So my point of this whole entire argument IS THAT THEY ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING, one just involves multiple EULA Breakers.
Again! a Bot plays you while you are afk and Again an account share plays you While you are AFK.

EVERYTHING ELSE INCLUDING Playstyle, Profiting, and Damn fucking infurating Gnomes are just CONDITIONS. You dont profit from it because YOU and the person you share your account with choose not to. You and that person could easily share multiple accounts to farm instances, but YOU dont. that doesnt mean EVERYONE IS YOU. Turn Cute mode off and crawl back into your fucking gremlin hole.

need a quick refresher?

Just because you account share for the sole purpose of raiding doesnt mean everyone does.
Just because afew people Bot to make $$ Does Not mean Everyone does.
Just because you do not account share to level up does not mean someone doesnt.

But no Gratz you win, im done with this fucking retarded thread and your fucking retarded gnome ass that has nothing better to do then reply with 'Blah blah blah' and 'Your Stupid'! gratz on being 12 ill be back when you grow hair on your balls.

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rozakk

what if 6 people are paying for schmoogles account? and the account owner isnt even schmoogles but its his mom who pays for his account and is under her name, and she doesnt even play mmo's or own a computer? Is schmoogles and his cronies his mom's "bots"?

and let me tell you this is not the sole instance where moms are paying for ec accounts, this just throws a wjhole monkeywrench in your argument