Wanted: 24 Raiders to get Beta Keys - Page 28

LFG · 10-30-2007, 09:55 AM

All keys given away, sorry if you didn't get one, my ex-wife hates me too, I got used to it.

LFG · 10-30-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Belgue

Pick Me !!!

Conjuror

Ps: please put at least 1 guy form a pvp server in the raid (I know its a pve test, but we raid in pvp server too)

Shit man I would have, but no slots left now.

arturos · 10-30-2007, 10:07 AM

great idea LFG i look forward to the unbroken content that will come forward from this experiment.
That is if you will actually fix anything, odds are you will get the dog and pony show from the devs. You will get to look at the mobs maybe take one or two down, the rest you will have to much trouble with (just a guess here) and they will still be broken on the release of the game but please the least you could do... if a mob is borked could ya tell us???

I hope that sony listens to you guys, oh quick question what if some of those guys have beta keys already?? Are you gonna run a backup list or a reserve list of raiders??

I like the idea LFG just doubt much will actually come from it is all. But here is for hoping!!! /thumbsup

*Hardain* · 10-30-2007, 10:24 AM

Very nice idea to test are the raids at right difficulty level, and possible bugs.

Oopo · 10-30-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

Its the bullshit that gets said like that which just proves you've never been a part of beta or if you have you had your head up your ass the entire time.

You can type pages and pages until your fucking fingers fall off but if the devs aren't interested in your amazing feedback shit won't get changed, and if they are, it will.

Its all these assumptions that the people who've been beta testing didn't say shit that pisses me off.

Maybe, like you, they typed pages and pages and they were simply ignored? Ever thought of that. Maybe the devs didn't have time to implement thier ideas or fix the bugs they commented on until after live.

Of course not, you're too fucking retarded to see that as a feasible reality, obviously raids go live broken because NPU/SD and other beta guilds are busy being friends with and butt fucking devs, instead of testing and providing feedback.

Man if only I had your keen insight.

Obviously SD and NPU keep getting invited over and over because no matter what the content is like they don't complain, they just suck up to the devs and gasp about how brilliant everything, even the broken content and shitty itemization, is.

Get over yourself. There are, and there have been, plenty of people providing real, honest feedback about the state of shit ever since the original EQ2 beta. I for one somehow seriously doubt the inclusion of you and a few other loud mouthed jackasses will change anything in RoK for the better, with the exception of maybe Calaglin.

We all remember how great and amazing the mighty Ishbu was with his glorious feedback and he was in EoF beta and it launched buggy and fucked too iirc.

Gaige is actually right. The only reason to be in beta is to see the content early and get a head start on everybody else. No amount of testing will prevent bugs from going to live. It has been proven from 3 fucking expansions now. You guys are either naiive or bullshitting.

Morara · 10-30-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Oopo

Gaige is actually right. The only reason to be in beta is to see the content early and get a head start on everybody else. No amount of testing will prevent bugs from going to live. It has been proven from 3 fucking expansions now. You guys are either naiive or bullshitting.

It's not that "no amount of testing will prevent bugs from going to live" but that "only 10 people actually test."

Gaige · 10-30-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Falco

lol gaige your still emo

but entertaining nevertheless

i'll explain my reasons for wanting to get in after nda is lifted, but you'll see on the forums in there under the wizard section

If pointing out hypocrisy and laughing at hypocrits is emo, then I'm guilty as charged.

I'm sure everyone in Disso has valid reasons for getting in. Doesn't take away from the amount of irony or hypocrisy though, after a year of "SD is a beta guild" shouts were used every single time something died.

/shrug

razieh · 10-30-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

If pointing out hypocrisy and laughing at hypocrits is emo, then I'm guilty as charged.

I'm sure everyone in Disso has valid reasons for getting in. Doesn't take away from the amount of irony or hypocrisy though, after a year of "SD is a beta guild" shouts were used every single time something died.

/shrug

Personally I don't think its emo anyone who is saying that clearly has no idea. You are going out of your way though, earlier this week weren't you saying Calaglin its your own fault for not being in beta you guys should take the opportunity, Now you are pissed off?

As far as I know the majority of people that spout out Dev guilds special needs ect are not even in Disso anymore. I know I for one was never against testing(not my reasoning for taking this opportunity though) though if I go in and like you said they just ignore everything, ill know that they honestly either don't care and its pointless.

Otis · 10-30-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

If pointing out hypocrisy and laughing at hypocrits is emo, then I'm guilty as charged.

I'm sure everyone in Disso has valid reasons for getting in. Doesn't take away from the amount of irony or hypocrisy though, after a year of "SD is a beta guild" shouts were used every single time something died.

/shrug

That was Ishbu's Disso.

It's obvious times have changed somewhat.

Gaige · 10-30-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Morara

It's not that "no amount of testing will prevent bugs from going to live" but that "only 10 people actually test."

More ignorance. I realize the funny thing to say is that no one tests or blah blah, but FFS you got more than 10 hardcore crafters on beta making everything and filing TS bugs.

Just because you /feedback, /bug, pm someone, email someone, and post about something that is broken/stupid/dumb doesn't mean it gets changed.

That was my point. There are a certain amount of devs, there is a finite amount of time and there is a priority list on what needs to get fixed by launch and what can wait till a few GU after release to fix.

Not only that, but even if in your mind and your entire guild's mind the feedback you provide about "insert raid here" or "insert quest here" or "insert class armor here" is relevant, correct and you provide mountains of statistical and anidoctal evidence pointing out why - if the designer of said raid/quest/armor doesn't agree with you for whatever reason then it just plain doesn't fucking matter.

The point is I've been in every beta since launch. I've seen the feedback, I've provided a lot of it (fuck I've been accused of nerfing entire classes and shaping others to fit my ideal/playstyle) and I've seen plenty of people post "pages and pages" of feedback where nothing happens. You can be quick to say "SOE doesn't care, they ignored my expert feedback" - but you'll always be a player with a much smaller viewpoint of the game (and a bias) versus a developer. IE: Saying shit like well I gave them awesome feedback and they ignored it, SOE hates us/the game/raiders/my mom is just a bullshit excuse.

I'm just going to laugh when Tangarth finds the issue that tugs at his heart strings, stays up late compiling info about it, posts pages and pages explaining why something should be changed, and it goes live the way it is anyway or is changed in a different way or he is plain shot the fuck down and told that too bad its staying how it is.

The amount of ignorance that is displayed by non-testers is amazing sometimes.

Of course, that is assuming Tangarth is going to RoK beta to test, but I'm a smart guy. I've learned a lot by listening to Dissolution over the years, so I know Tangarth and Co.'s true motive:

Raid guilds go to beta to get a headstart, learn the strats early and run into the live expansion with leet infos so they can WW1st stuff.

Ishbu, Calaglin and the rest of Dissolution at least drove that into my head during my tenure there.

Nice try Tangarth, I almost believed your post, until I remembered what tag you're wearing!

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Originally Posted by razieh

Now you are pissed off?

As far as I know the majority of people that spout out Dev guilds special needs ect are not even in Disso anymore. I know I for one was never against testing(not my reasoning for taking this opportunity though) though if I go in and like you said they just ignore everything, ill know that they honestly either don't care and its pointless.

No, I'm not pissed off - I could care less. I just like pointing out shit like this, because we all know if the roles were reversed, Calaglin or someone else wearing your tag would. I mean fuck, Calaglin already did when he came to Widem's defense in the NDA thread.

As for the majority of people that bitched about beta being gone... Calaglin is there and to me that is all that matters. Back at release it was primarily Ishbu, but it mattered because he was the leader. Now its Calaglin, who is the leader, and who I suppose has changed his mind. Doesn't make it any less humorous to me though.

Also: Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said they ignore everything. I didn't even imply that. That's bullshit, I've posted the exact opposite (about feedback being given and shit changing) already.