Fury of Innoruk (Dark Elf clicky buff) - Page 5

aduros · 11-10-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Flesch Wrought

I think there is a lot of overreacting being done. Pretty much everything buffed by Fury of Innoruk is a skill that is either on a diminishing returns scale or has a cap to it. With those two things in mind it will even out in the long run for min/maxers.

QFE.

After testing it out in it's current form, it's really not the "athene" spell alot of people are making it out to be. I will say this though, the racial attacks need a big boost to damage and scalability. Since dark elves got something nice like this, the other race's attacks should be increased so they get a small, but nice little bonus to dps also.

Personally I'm rerolling DE since I already got rid of my old toon, and alot of the abilities are pretty fun. But don't think someone else is gonna come 'swwwft' around the corner, and rape your dps due to race. If your that harcore of a min/maxer you can go ahead and reroll, but don't hold your breath waiting for a "racial respecc".

Widem · 11-10-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracatoa

Oh, they know.

Aeralik just doesn't give a fuck.

It's like Lockeye with Brigands and then Furies. Any surprise he was playing both classes at the times they were buffed up exponentially?

No shit, this is fucking blatent as hell. Everyone who is trying to defend Chris over this is a fucking idiot. Chris has already said it was over powered compared to other classes and that in his opinion it just doesnt matter. He doesnt give a flying fuck about balance he just wants a last hooray for his playing ability in a dying game, hes diligently helping along the process. Haha, then he acts like the info is outdated, do you not even know what you have put in the game?

This buff is so fucking easy to fix, but hes refusing to do it b/c he wants his damn assasin abilities. This expansion is in no way ready to come out.

This expansion reminded me of why I dont beta test. You look at everything, weigh it against eachother, then tell them how to fix it, b/c apparently they are a bunch of fucking monkeys with a programming degree. Not only do they not listen to most of the substance, but when they do they break shit further. They literally went from shit set bonuses for furies to nerfing current spells b/c they have absolutely no clue about the functionality of this game.

I would like to thank every person in beta commenting on how ugly their set gear was b/c you guys are the scum of gaming. If you want shit to look pretty go fucking buy a dress in RL. If you want to look nice in game there is about 100 bagillion items to pick from, stop clogging up the beta boards with that shit and fix the shit thats broken.

Oh one person really stood out to me as a complete fucking fucktard, this guys name was "Inshiningarmor." He went as far as saying that there should be absolutely no gear progression from heroic to raid b/c well as a raider he didnt raid for gear he raids for the experience. That really brought a nice tear to my eye right before i puked all over my screen. If anyone knows this guy give him a nice swift kick in the nuts for me.

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Originally Posted by Flesch Wrought

I think there is a lot of overreacting being done. Pretty much everything buffed by Fury of Innoruk is a skill that is either on a diminishing returns scale or has a cap to it. With those two things in mind it will even out in the long run for min/maxers.

If you do not know which abilities are on diminishing returns shut up. For the love of christ why make yourself look so stupid. Every ability on that buff is something that is lacking for every class. It was custome tailor to fit what 1 person wants. Its so fucking obvious its retarded.

aduros · 11-10-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Widem

This expansion reminded me of why I dont beta test. You look at everything, weigh it against eachother, then tell them how to fix it, b/c apparently they are a bunch of fucking monkeys with a programming degree. Not only do they not listen to most of the substance, but when they do they break shit further. They literally went from shit set bonuses for furies to nerfing current spells b/c they have absolutely no clue about the functionality of this game.

I would like to thank every person in beta commenting on how ugly their set gear was b/c you guys are the scum of gaming. If you want shit to look pretty go fucking buy a dress in RL. If you want to look nice in game there is about 100 bagillion items to pick from, stop clogging up the beta boards with that shit and fix the shit thats broken.

Oh one person really stood out to me as a complete fucking fucktard, this guys name was "Inshiningarmor." He went as far as saying that there should be absolutely no gear progression from heroic to raid b/c well as a raider he didnt raid for gear he raids for the experience. That really brought a nice tear to my eye right before i puked all over my screen. If anyone knows this guy give him a nice swift kick in the nuts for me.

Holy shit, that brought a tear to my eye.

While I may not agree with you on Fury of Innoruk, everything you've said in here is 100% true. They really needed to gather the top beta testers, 1 or 2 from each class, sit em down in vent and actually hammer shit out. That way they get get it straight from the horses mouth, instead of sifting through 25 pages of randomnub_011 "rangers sets would look pretty with more turqiouse around the heel"

When we tested out one of the raid instances we had one of the devs in vent with us, so he could actually get our feedback firsthand. Instead of being lost in a sea of shit.

Flesch Wrought · 11-10-2007, 10:34 AM

I know this is something min/maxers don't want to hear, but you are only a small portion of the gaming population. Taking 1 or 2 of the top of each class wouldn't help them make money. It might stop your bitching, but I imagine they find it humorous.

"He doesnt give a flying fuck about balance he just wants a last hooray for his playing ability in a dying game,"

Are you kidding me? This expansion is going to bring new players in truckloads.

Raina · 11-10-2007, 10:38 AM

Its still pretty lame to single out one or two races and give them all the cool shit and the rest get junk.

aduros · 11-10-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flesch Wrought

I know this is something min/maxers don't want to hear, but you are only a small portion of the gaming population. Taking 1 or 2 of the top of each class wouldn't help them make money. It might stop your bitching, but I imagine they find it humorous.

If you take 1 or 2 of a class that truely understand the game and its underlying mechanics, sit them down in vent, really go through the problems with the class, what needs to be fixed, and why, well your going to have a higher quality expansion. Because the feedback your getting is from people who truely understand how the game works.

Now if you throw in 200 more people on vent all talking at once, each just clamoring over trivial shit, thats basically no different than the beta forums. And Its almost impossible to really fix the underlying issues with all that noise.

For example: I play games on my computer. If it were broken I wouldn't sit there and try to fix it if I didn't understand how it functions. All I would be doing is making the problem worse, and possibly destroy it. Instead I call up people who actually know how it functions, and the best way to fix those problems. Now my computer is fixed, I thank them, and get back to enjoying my computer.

Flesch Wrought · 11-10-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aduros

If you take 1 or 2 of a class that truely understand the game and its underlying mechanics, sit them down in vent, really go through the problems with the class, what needs to be fixed, and why, well your going to have a higher quality expansion. Because the feedback your getting is from people who truely understand how the game works.

Now if you throw in 200 more people on vent all talking at once, each just clamoring over trivial shit, thats basically no different than the beta forums. And Its almost impossible to really fix the underlying issues with all that noise.

I certainly see your point with this, but they have to be careful when making changes so that they don't impact too heavily on either the raiders or the casual players. If they took 1 or 2 of the 'best' and took only their advice they might overlook something that would appeal to the larger community.

I think they decided to side with the casual players on this racial trait thing. Dark elfs are the most played race so giving them something unique and possibly overpowered makes a lot of people happy. I think that with the exception of a few classes (Assassin in particular) it's not all that amazing. From a non raid standpoint I'd probably rather have the 2.5 second stun DD that some of the big races get. 24 seconds of something every 5 minutes or 2.5 seconds every 30 seconds is even, plus the stun could be used once, maybe twice, on most fights. A solo assassin might actually have an easier time soloing as a troll than a dark elf with these changes.

Brallin · 11-10-2007, 11:03 AM

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I think that with the exception of a few classes (Assassin in particular) it's not all that amazing.

It is amazing for almost EVERY class dipshit.

Corsica · 11-10-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

No shit, this is fucking blatent as hell. Everyone who is trying to defend Chris over this is a fucking idiot. Chris has already said it was over powered compared to other classes and that in his opinion it just doesnt matter. He doesnt give a flying fuck about balance he just wants a last hooray for his playing ability in a dying game, hes diligently helping along the process. Haha, then he acts like the info is outdated, do you not even know what you have put in the game?

This buff is so fucking easy to fix, but hes refusing to do it b/c he wants his damn assasin abilities. This expansion is in no way ready to come out.

This expansion reminded me of why I dont beta test. You look at everything, weigh it against eachother, then tell them how to fix it, b/c apparently they are a bunch of fucking monkeys with a programming degree. Not only do they not listen to most of the substance, but when they do they break shit further. They literally went from shit set bonuses for furies to nerfing current spells b/c they have absolutely no clue about the functionality of this game.

I would like to thank every person in beta commenting on how ugly their set gear was b/c you guys are the scum of gaming. If you want shit to look pretty go fucking buy a dress in RL. If you want to look nice in game there is about 100 bagillion items to pick from, stop clogging up the beta boards with that shit and fix the shit thats broken.

Oh one person really stood out to me as a complete fucking fucktard, this guys name was "Inshiningarmor." He went as far as saying that there should be absolutely no gear progression from heroic to raid b/c well as a raider he didnt raid for gear he raids for the experience. That really brought a nice tear to my eye right before i puked all over my screen. If anyone knows this guy give him a nice swift kick in the nuts for me.

If you do not know which abilities are on diminishing returns shut up. For the love of christ why make yourself look so stupid. Every ability on that buff is something that is lacking for every class. It was custome tailor to fit what 1 person wants. Its so fucking obvious its retarded.

Brother if we ever meet, first three rounds are on me!

Aeralik · 11-10-2007, 12:52 PM

Like I said you guys are whining about old information. Haste is on a diminishing return curve. If you are on a raid and you have an illusionist haste isnt hard to get which places you high up on the curve. Plus there are tons of stackable haste sources out there now. The 5% crit on it is minimal at best. 5% is just that a 5 percent chance to crit on one of the extra hits. If you are lucky you might get some extra damage from it but if you were gambling would you really risk money on a 5% chance? You might risk a small amount and hope to get lucky but I doubt you would bet your home or car on it.

If you are a dual wielding scout you get 2 extra hits on each hand if you are the typical scout going with a 4 second delay weapon. Once again assuming you get the high damage rolls which is a big if thats ~4k damage with really good weapons and far less with inferior. The other skills are guaranteed damage every minute or more now. The single target ones are set to do similar amounts of damage and the aoe attacks are set to do far more damage over the same time. Like the erudite skill was doing ~1200 I think it was to 4 targets every 3 minutes which is 4800 damage max and already outdamages a lucky foi. Yes foi is nice and has its advantages since it was meant to be racially flavorful but the other skills are not as bad as they look and don't deal with diminishing returns as easily.