Fury of Innoruk (Dark Elf clicky buff) - Page 7

Fomka · 11-10-2007, 01:51 PM

Bayles Strike is nowhere near FoI, and for me as a wizard Bayles Strike is absolutely useless (well i'd say it's useless for all classes). So how come these skills are equal?

Wolfe · 11-10-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

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Like iam really going to cast the barbarain one on my swashy.. any thing else i cast would do more damage than it! i dont give a crap about the stun part! doesnt effect epics. so all i look at is a ca that does less damage than any thing else i could cast in its place. Where as fury does not have to fit into a cast rotation! Since your saying its minor due to a timer then all scouts should remove there timered dps buffs from there hotbar right since the dps they add is minor. like i should just drop ruthless cunning, inspire, engarde and finesse.
Ok so theres items that can give some of these bonus.. but those with out have to gear up to get them where as the dark elf get them for free or dont have to give up a item slot for them!

Also i just dont see how this ability fits on a smallish race and not on the larger races. They are weaker ok so there god ( what if the dark elf did not pick inny as a god) gives them this fury to crit and hit harder. Makes more sense to me that ogre and barbarian would get this fury since they are large and powerful str wise they should be able to go into a fury or rage and do more.
As a barbarain i should be able to become enraged and go into a super dps mode at the cost of defense and maybe a plus to hate since i would be so noticable to the mob in this rage.
Bur no your giving dark elfs a god ability for a god they may not even worship and instead of being on a 1 hr recast its on a 5 min or less one!

Steelbadger · 11-10-2007, 01:55 PM

I can see FoI easily giving you 20% more dmg (melee class) on one trash fight per 5 minutes. Its nice for going wheee, look at me I just parsed 5k, but over a ZW makes a small difference (maybe 2%)

Then again poisonous bite, 500 or so dmg on a 30 second recast... compared to Scarring Blow, 800 or so dmg on a 10 second reuse. Poisonous bite wont even figure on a dps breakdown. (maybe 0.5% of a ZW at 17 dps)

Whereas FoI does make an appreciable difference, even if it is only once every 5 minutes.

Karel · 11-10-2007, 01:57 PM

You think 2% of somebody's zw dps isn't a big difference?

daray · 11-10-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TANGARTH

spell crits, deagro, and a casting boost? It beats the hell out of a shitty fire encounter nuke.

I will not make fun of you, becuase, I don't need to after seeing the best permafrost has to offer.

Actually, imo, erudites offer the most for mage dps - purely because their equivalent is a passive 5% to spell haste (i.e. permanent and applied all the time).

Johnathon · 11-10-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

First off, I think FoI should have its power cost increased inbetween these two numbers 388 and 540.

Why? If you add up the costs for the other spells it equates their power costs between recasts.

With poisons working with spell crits (which will make your poisons crit more often too) you will see a bigger impact with this racial trait, the difference between 1% and 6% is noticeable.

Also, as a brigand one of my spells increases my attack speed and is very close % wise to that spell. it also does not have anything that effects epics or dps vs epics on it. But i can increase my damage A LOT with stacking it with all of the other resources (paw/ruthless cunning/deceitfulness) I have at my disposal.

Tokamak · 11-10-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flesch Wrought

I know this is something min/maxers don't want to hear, but you are only a small portion of the gaming population. Taking 1 or 2 of the top of each class wouldn't help them make money. It might stop your bitching, but I imagine they find it humorous.

"He doesnt give a flying fuck about balance he just wants a last hooray for his playing ability in a dying game,"

Are you kidding me? This expansion is going to bring new players in truckloads.

This game is balanced in a top down fashion, you want all your shit working correctly, you need to balance / itemise the baseline correctly. And my friend in this game the baseline would be x4 contested content.

Taking a couple of people who actually understand their class would make sure that the important issues are addressed before rok is pushed live. Show me a dev that knows more about Illus than Pinski, one that can play a guard better than Grind.

And as for bringing in truckloads of new players, wouldn't that require the expansion to be advertised?

Steelbadger · 11-10-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Karel

You think 2% of somebody's zw dps isn't a big difference?

2% of a parse can be easily lost in random chance, movement and all the other crap going on. It is less than the usual deviation or range of probable parses at a given skill level. Therefor I count it as small.

BUT it IS equivalent to the vast majority of skills used by melee classes. Whereas the other ones are largely a waste of time, doing about the same dmg as some random weapon proc.

Tokamak · 11-10-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flesch Wrought

I certainly see your point with this, but they have to be careful when making changes so that they don't impact too heavily on either the raiders or the casual players. If they took 1 or 2 of the 'best' and took only their advice they might overlook something that would appeal to the larger community.

I think they decided to side with the casual players on this racial trait thing. Dark elfs are the most played race so giving them something unique and possibly overpowered makes a lot of people happy. I think that with the exception of a few classes (Assassin in particular) it's not all that amazing. From a non raid standpoint I'd probably rather have the 2.5 second stun DD that some of the big races get. 24 seconds of something every 5 minutes or 2.5 seconds every 30 seconds is even, plus the stun could be used once, maybe twice, on most fights. A solo assassin might actually have an easier time soloing as a troll than a dark elf with these changes.

If you start randomly stunning things your chanters are going to come round your house and punch you in the face. Epic stuns as a racial trait... Oh dear.

Normack · 11-10-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

Haste is on a diminishing return curve. If you are on a raid and you have an illusionist haste isnt hard to get which places you high up on the curve. Plus there are tons of stackable haste sources out there now.

WOW you guys know this then? Want to explain why my monk right now in EOF has 171 SELF haste, and with ROK it will be around 190? How about giving monks...oh yeah, something that doesn't suck dick like an absurd amount of haste where we can't even benefit from other classes buffs.

Respond please.