Best race for each class? - Page 6

Azeda · 11-10-2007, 10:15 PM

That's what I thought ... just wanted to make sure they didn't reduce the number of choices we get.

Lumpy · 11-10-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

Frogloks got 2% dbl attack too

Just checked like 2mins ago and we dont get any double attack or melee crit or anything only thing that helps me on combat is 1.8 heal crit and its not ever 2%

Aeralik · 11-11-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumpy

Just checked like 2mins ago and we dont get any double attack or melee crit or anything only thing that helps me on combat is 1.8 heal crit and its not ever 2%

Yeah because you get the caster/priest version of the racial skill as a templar

fighter/scout frogloks get the double attack just like a caster dark elf gets spell crit instead of double attack.

Alania · 11-11-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by quamdar

you are kidding right? i don't think you are looking at the same spell if you think it is going to add 100 DPS to a zonewide.

here it is in it's current form according to screenshot below:
instant cast
24s dur
reuse 5 mins
5% melee and spell crits
10% casting haste
35 melee haste
-34 parry
-38 defense

first of all you say it would be up a "good" 12 minutes for a 2 hour zone which is incorrect. assuming the recast starts when it is cast not when it expires then you could have it up 8% of the time or 9.6 minutes chain casting it. second of all 100 DPS is INSANE, if you chain casted it and never had it up when not fighting it would need to add 1250 DPS while it was up to give you 100 DPS on your zonewide.

since i play a necro here is what it would be for a necromancer and i think it would be at least comparable for other mages:
5% spell crits = ~40 DPS

so even if the 10% spell haste and the mellee buffs add 100 DPS it would add 140 DPS while it is up or 11.2 DPS to your zonewide.

i don't mind people saying it should be nerfed (i haven't really looked at other races abilities that closely myself so i don't know if it should or not) but at least don't pull blatantly made up numbers out of your ass when calling for a nerf.

EDIT: changed numbers for the updated screenshot below that shows no +spell damage.

So you're going to take a post I made prior to Aeralik posting his updated screenshot, and then make fun of me using the updated screenshot as your proof? I was using the +100 spell dmg/CA dmg that was also included as part of my example. Please L2Read.

Flaming Homo · 11-11-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

Yeah because you get the caster/priest version of the racial skill as a temple

fighter/scout frogloks get the double attack just like a caster dark elf gets spell crit instead of double attack.

Have you realized yet that you've royally fucked this up?

quamdar · 11-11-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alania

So you're going to take a post I made prior to Aeralik posting his updated screenshot, and then make fun of me using the updated screenshot as your proof? I was using the +100 spell dmg/CA dmg that was also included as part of my example. Please L2Read.

even so if the other stuff is adding <15 DPS you think +100 spell damage would increase a zonewide by another 85 DPS (you said the former version would add 100 DPS to a zonewide)? for a necromancer +1 spell damage is about .28 DPS added to a zonewide. so +100 for 30 seconds every 5 minutes would give about 2.8 DPS to a zonewide.

please tell me how even with +100 damage it is anywhere near the 100 DPS to a zonewide you stated? or did you just totally make that up like i said?

Lumpy · 11-11-2007, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeralik

Yeah because you get the caster/priest version of the racial skill as a templar

fighter/scout frogloks get the double attack just like a caster dark elf gets spell crit instead of double attack.

K can we get our deagro back?

Paikis · 11-11-2007, 03:10 AM

I love it. People give you numbers which prove that these things are only a marginal boost at best and you flame them. You don't want the truth, you only want to hear what you want to hear.

Having said that, I still think Fury of Innoruk is overpowered and needs nerfing.

Fibs · 11-11-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumpy

K can we get our deagro back?

Froglok - Not Confirmed by me
Innates:
Gills - Water breathing
Hydromotion - water jumping

Choices:
Fervor of Marr - 10% Metal shaping power reduction (P)
Zealotry of Marr - 5% Metal working success chance (P)
Soft Landing - 25% falling damage reduction (P)
Hop - super jump
Astounding Leap - blink + deaggro
Cold Blooded - heat/cold split
Natural Acrobat - 5 agi
Valor in Battle - ? + crush / heal crit + minstration
Marr's Glorious Blade - ae melee attack
Spontaneous Metamorphosis - 3% health (P)

Did they take Astounding Leap out, or are you talking about something else that was there before but not now?

BTW: Is the rest of this list still accurate? Personally, I can't make much use of most of this - but as long as Hop (super jump) is still there, I'll be happy.

Ancient Rites · 11-11-2007, 06:14 AM

Here are the REAL questions.

With all of this anger and bitching going on, what is the heart of the matter?

Is it:

1.) Min maxers crying that the kid next door got a lightly bigger toy.

2.) You people actually think that this shit will make any appreciable difference at anything other than low level groups and soloing?

Here is a question, are the guild leaders in this topic not going to recruit any scouts from now on unless they are DE, Ratonga, or Arasai?

Do you people REALLY think that your days of getting groups and raids is OVER because your race doesnt have +2% melee crit, or they DO but you're a caster? Or that now you are gonna be an undesireable tank compared to x/x because of a small bonus? Or your days of topping the parse are finished because of 2% melee crit?

Seriously, I can understand getting pissed as a matter of principle, but to be enraged about any of this shit is an absolute fucking joke. Is a Barbarian Wizard REALLY gonna be "omgz weaksauce1" compared to an DE, or Erudite Wizard?

Fuck, everyone got new legos, some people got a few more pieces and they are different colours, but they are all fucking legos. Not new AA, or some game breaking class defining shit, RACIAL traits.

AND as has been shown, BETA servers =/= DEV servers.

Beta =/= Release.

In a week all this bitching will be over with and no one will give a fuck.