The End Game, whats the point? - Page 7

Hama · 11-15-2007, 02:38 PM

rofl.....just fucking rofl alesis. You crack me up PLAYBOY

Thundaarr · 11-15-2007, 02:45 PM

I think you're point would have been recieve with much greater sympathy if you had posted about why there is such a negative to high end raiding. Now I am not in a WW first type of guild by any means, but there are many MANY better ways to handle discipline than a rant in ventrillo in front of everyone. There are many assholes out there, and some of them become raid leaders. It seems your problem wasn't so much against high end raiding, but against being treated like a moronic peice of shit. I too, would have a problem with this.

But I can tell you from the standpoint of a guild leader, that there are times when people are slacking and riding the backs of others. When you see someone who is supposed to be a DPS class consistently parsing 800-900 dps, you can deal with it a few ways

1. You can yell and scream at them over ventrilo, bashing them in front of the guild, making yourself look like an asshole and them look like an idiot.

2. You can just ignore it and carry on, hoping that they will want to improve for the good of the guild (otherwise known as the sunshine-rainbow-fart theory, in which everything will work out in the end all by itself, and unicorns and fairies will magically appear in RL to grant you 3 wishes) Although sometimes this happens, it's rare

3. You can either make it as a joke (Omg, you got outparsed by the troubador? ! Aren't you supposed to be a DPS class? Stop slackin !) Still a little crude, but if you deliver it with humor, they'll get the message, the guild will get the message that you're watching and won't let people slack, and no one has to be belittled.

4. You can send them a tell, or hold a private meeting in vent with them after the raid to discuss things. I find this the classiest option. You send them a tell, asking why they are not performing to their capabilities, for whatever reason.

Long story short, discipline must be maintained for a guild and a raid force to truly work and have any shot at doing something good. But I aint your daddy, or your momma, and it isn't my job to yell and scream at you. Most raid guilds have a policy in place already of 18+ in RL, so if everyone is an adult, I expect everyone to act like it. You respect me and the guild enough to give a shit and do your job, and I will respect you enough to treat you like a grown up and not some little moronic child. But breakdown on the one part doesn't have to denote or dictate the behaviour of the other

Just my 2cp.

Asrion · 11-15-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

...Otherwise maybe it would take 4 hours to do tnt instead of just over 1 hour. Good guilds can could clear everything in EoF in about 12 hours a week. Its just not that hard or long. And as far as contesteds are concerned, guess what everyone doesnt go out every night, even on weekends. We havent raided on friday, saturday, and sunday for about 4 months now. Even at that i maybe would go out either friday or saturday. In a guild of 24 that leaves an average of 12 available on any given weekend night which is enough to kill PHH and only 6 away from killing any other EoF contested, even if when they get home they are drunk.....

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Originally Posted by Alesis

.....This makes you better than me? This gives you the right to talk shit and belittle people? You traded your entire real life social life for this?
....

Reading comprehension FTW.

It has been stated time and time again that you have a very skewed perception on what it takes to "lockdown" this very easy game. Of course it takes people playing at a certain level but still when you got a group of people that aren't complete retards you can get the job done.

The raid scene is no longer comprised of these "pimple-faced" "pencil-necked" that you like to picture these "bullies" as. Quite possibly because you couldn't hack it and want to feel better about your situation.

pagansaint · 11-15-2007, 03:12 PM

Guys, Alesis is a self admitted liar. Posts that he is available 24/7/365 but then says he cannot raid often. Then goes on to explain how he takes the easiest possible way out to get free time in a guild: joins late into EoF when everything is on farm status with a dirge that he admits he just auto follows and afks through a zone so he can get his "footage."

He wants to call all of the people who raid at the top end little geeks who can't get layed, yet he says he always carries around a video editing and gaming laptop, all things he has made explicitly clear, and is on call 24/7/365 but not really, to go and "film" people killing shit.

So I'll ask again:

What is more pointless and pathetic?

The group of people exhibiting organization, coordination and superior skill in a game he pays to play just the same as they do?

Or

The person who just wants a free ride to make "movies" about a video game he plays poorly?

Madrix · 11-15-2007, 03:44 PM

You make videos of others having a good time. Now remind me which one is doing something pointless?

Illuminator · 11-15-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Qayr

It's about trying to figure out an encounter for the first time and beating it.

Which by definition once occurs once per encounter.

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Originally Posted by Qayr

They don't give a shit about loot, except that it helps them kill the next boss.

That is way too idealistic given my opinion of this game's inability to tell a deep story. Sometimes you think it's got potential and then suddenly some gnome asks you to kill 50 bears because each one has a unique magical thread that can be combined to form a shoelace that will let the gnome tie his shoes to walk 10 feet to turn a switch that doesn't work because 30 snakes each swallowed a separate screw that held it together. Total fucking Rube Goldberg. Most of the time loot is all we got.

Talonis · 11-15-2007, 05:14 PM

Look, your kick is to show off your uber fabled gear. Grats on being like 99% of the rest of the community that raids...

It's ok to admit, you aren't alone. To these people, raiding is simply the means to the ends to acquire gear that makes people [like your friend you mentioned in the first post] drool over your gear. Don't be ashamed to admit it and don't bullshit the people reading this thread that it's different. It is an inherent, intended part of the game and it's design. Fact.

The other 1% [or 1% of 1% if you wish] are the people that get more from raiding. They too enjoy showing off the bling but are in the game for the enjoyment of raiding itself also. As much as you get off on showing people your labs relic, these people relish the challenge of developing an effective raid force of 24 different people and see the beauty of an efficient raid force executing a strategy for the kill~ in addition to getting some nice drool-worthy gear. It doesn't matter if it's AoM or Vox, some people just like to raid. Not to mention it is [arguably] the intended progression of the game itself. I feel pity for those that feel the end of the game comes after completing all 6-man instances and choose to not raid because they have some kind of distaste for raiders, or have had unsatisfying raiding experiences. Poor bastards. You are denying yourself some very exciting gaming. May sound dumb now, but that first MO kill was far and away the most unforgettable experience I have had in this game. The planet Earth could have blown up right then and I guarantee there would have been at least 24 people that would have died happy. If raiding doesn't do that for you, no biggie. You aren't obligated to feel like that, but don't get all butthurt and jealous either because others have felt that, want to feel that again, or are still trying to feel that way for the first time.

I guess it is fair to say some enjoy a smooth Unrest or SoF run, but the level of difficulty cannot be compared. That is beyond retarded. The real question here is not "What is the point of raiding?", the answer to that question is obvious, in the context of who is asking it. You have raided. You got some gear. Your friends drooled. All that = you feel better about yourself and you gain some perception that you've completed the game. Your particular 'itch' has been scratched. Grats?

Move on and play something else or enjoy the satisfaction of a buttery smooth Nizara run. The best answer for someone that has raided, gotten some gear and nothing else out of the experience; prompting the asking of your OP question is:

"Sorry you sucked at it" Grats on your labs fabled, the exit is that way.

Sultri · 11-15-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

O and to the guy who said his guild locks down the whole server in 3 hours a night, 3 nights a week. Come on man, if your gonna make up shit that the whole EQ2 world knows is a fucking outright falsehood, at least try to make it somewhat realistic lol. You can clear all the contested mobs on your server in 9 hours a week? What private shard/server was it you played on again?

I know its already been corrected, but I just had to point out how fucking stupid you are again. Reading comprehension FTW I guess, or maybe you got some jizz in ya eye that makes reading difficult.

And, yeah, gg on the "I get Pussy" card too. I have 2 kids so I must be getting it too.

Mate, if your gonna come to EQ2flames and have a little pussywhinge about, "I told my friend I don't know why people raid, maybe its because they have no life" and then act all asshurt when ppl call you out for being a fuckwit, I have no sympathy for you.

Maybe you should go make a date with that guy that set himself on fire, and go and raid the nearest petrol station for some flaming uber lewts.

tomthumb · 11-15-2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonis

Look, your kick is to show off your uber fabled gear. Grats on being like 99% of the rest of the community that raids...

It's ok to admit, you aren't alone. To these people, raiding is simply the means to the ends to acquire gear that makes people [like your friend you mentioned in the first post] drool over your gear. Don't be ashamed to admit it and don't bullshit the people reading this thread that it's different. It is an inherent, intended part of the game and it's design. Fact.

The other 1% [or 1% of 1% if you wish] are the people that get more from raiding. They too enjoy showing off the bling but are in the game for the enjoyment of raiding itself also. As much as you get off on showing people your labs relic, these people relish the challenge of developing an effective raid force of 24 different people and see the beauty of an efficient raid force executing a strategy for the kill~ in addition to getting some nice drool-worthy gear. It doesn't matter if it's AoM or Vox, some people just like to raid. Not to mention it is [arguably] the intended progression of the game itself. I feel pity for those that feel the end of the game comes after completing all 6-man instances and choose to not raid because they have some kind of distaste for raiders, or have had unsatisfying raiding experiences. Poor bastards. You are denying yourself some very exciting gaming. May sound dumb now, but that first MO kill was far and away the most unforgettable experience I have had in this game. The planet Earth could have blown up right then and I guarantee there would have been at least 24 people that would have died happy. If raiding doesn't do that for you, no biggie. You aren't obligated to feel like that, but don't get all butthurt and jealous either because others have felt that, want to feel that again, or are still trying to feel that way for the first time.

I guess it is fair to say some enjoy a smooth Unrest or SoF run, but the level of difficulty cannot be compared. That is beyond retarded. The real question here is not "What is the point of raiding?", the answer to that question is obvious, in the context of who is asking it. You have raided. You got some gear. Your friends drooled. All that = you feel better about yourself and you gain some perception that you've completed the game. Your particular 'itch' has been scratched. Grats?

Move on and play something else or enjoy the satisfaction of a buttery smooth Nizara run. The best answer for someone that has raided, gotten some gear and nothing else out of the experience; prompting the asking of your OP question is:

"Sorry you sucked at it" Grats on your labs fabled, the exit is that way.

Very fucking well said.

Cuz · 11-15-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

So I'll ask again:

What is more pointless and pathetic?

The group of people exhibiting organization, coordination and superior skill in a game he pays to play just the same as they do?

Or

The person who just wants a free ride to make "movies" about a video game he plays poorly?

It's a tie - You both lose.