are RoK raids too easy? - Page 11

Euron Greyjoy · 12-02-2007, 01:21 AM

High-quality last tier gear is still that... last tier gear.

A few % difference, aside from nice effects which aren't really needed until late RoK, because most of the encounters up to that point hit like pussies and are completely scripted.

Euron Greyjoy · 12-02-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paikis

I think we can safely say that the T3 zones need a few shots of steroids.

Wait.. there's more than one tier 3 raid? Did I not get the memo?

methulah · 12-02-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaraxx

Ok listen up.

First of all Avatars gear doesn't help all that much - it does - but it's not going to make or break any encounter.

Second - SoE has never and will never make content satisfying for the endgame raiders. People who care about succeeding to the absolute fullest extent in this game. There just isn't enough of us for them to justify making enough and challenging content for us. They are always going to go supply content for the casual player and in all honesty they have succeded 100x over with that in this expansion.

Third - It's life - not live, Mr. Attorney.

Fourth - Don't judge the hardcore players. You don't know anything about our real lifes. You have no clue what we are like. Are there players out there that sleep/breathe/think Everquest II? Yes there are some but not many. The bottom line is the thing that separates us from the casual player is our goals. Our goals are simple, to dominate the game. We don't log on and cyber with our buddies. We don't log on and do heroic quests. When we log in we are all about business. Getting the content done as fast as possible and getting out.

Most of us play this game for fun. Doesn't matter if it's doing grey quests or killing mobs first in the game. Whatever makes you enjoy the game go out and do it.

I'm just sick and tired of people coming in here and acting all high and mighty and making claims about their real lifes and making assumptions of others. To make such ignornant/arrogant claims is truly sad and pathetic.

Cheers,

Q for motherfucking E. I'm not a high end raider, by any stretch of the imagination, proof being readily available on eq2players.com, but I still get offended by these ignorant, foolish post. Seriously, if that poster is an "attorney," it just goes to show that it doesn't take much.

Alesis · 12-02-2007, 11:11 AM

I always think its funny when the top 2 guilds on a server cry after every expansion. It happened in EQ1, and its happening here.The upper crust raiders always seem to forget they have the best of everything from the last expansion, so of course things are gonna be a bit easier for them.
Anyone ever consider that maybe, just maybe, SOE made an expansion that was geared towards the other 98% of its paying client base? I mean, heaven forbid anyone beside the top 48 people on the server have something to do right?
All I hear is WAAAAAA! /cry! "All we got to kill is a new expansions worth of raid content, a whole zone deigned for uber raiders (VP), all the Avatars and the contested mobs from this expansion and the last!"
Jesus fucking Christ, how dare they give the rest of us something to do?
Sorry for the rant, I sometimes forget that even though each server has several thousand people playing on it, the only ones who really matter are the top 24-48 cats in the game.

Ripzz · 12-02-2007, 11:42 AM

According to SoE, raiders are 1% of the EQ2 player base, and hardcore raiders are 1% of that 1%. So saying that SoE was catering for the casuals or whatever the fuck that 'other 98%' is meant to be when they designed piss poor raid zones is bullshit.

ChrisB · 12-02-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripzz

According to SoE, raiders are 1% of the EQ2 player base, and hardcore raiders are 1% of that 1%. So saying that SoE was catering for the casuals or whatever the fuck that 'other 98%' is meant to be when they designed piss poor raid zones is bullshit.

Link to the source pls.

Chris

Ripzz · 12-02-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisB

Link to the source pls.

Chris

I don't have it, it was back when they said there would be very few contested in RoK and their excuse was that only 1% raided end game content on an almost daily-basis schedule and only 1% of that 1% raided contested mobs. Look it up, it'll be buried in dev tracker somewhere.

firamas · 12-02-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaraxx

Ok listen up.

First of all Avatars gear doesn't help all that much - it does - but it's not going to make or break any encounter.

so theoretically having every melee with the crit robe, every caster with the alkabor robe, and every tank with the hate BP isnt going to make a fucking gigantic difference in raid DPS or stability? and then factor in the rest of the avatar loot. lets just say that a guild had avatars on exclusive farm status on their server, had a small enough roster to spread it around nicely, and each person has 2-4 pcs of avatar gear. this is rare in actuality, but its isnt unrealistic. that is a sick amount of game-changing mechanics being thrown at encounters. SoE cannot tune future fights to that simply because of the fact that few people would be able to beat them. just dont be mistaken as to why some of the T8 content seems so easy for certain guilds.

T7 avatar gear ranged from exceptional to nearly game-breaking. the mobs were simply not difficult enough to justify the kind of loot they dropped. hopefully with the new avatars being L88 the risk vs reward will finally be in line, and maybe they'll learn from some of their mistakes in itemization as well. until then, we'll still see everyone using most of their T7 avatar gear probably most of the way (if not all the way) through T8. and that is unfortunate.

and to the OP-- there are 5 tiers of raid progression in T8, instead of the usually 1.5-2 tiers we've been used to in the last few expansions. the first ones are obviously supposed to be easier. you gear yourself up on them, learn some of the new mechanics, and then tackle the harder stuff. just be happy we have a higher range of raid difficulty to deal with. now, if the T4/5 content ends up being too easy, then we have an issue. (and you can trace that back to a number of things...)

ChrisB · 12-02-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripzz

I don't have it, it was back when they said there would be very few contested in RoK and their excuse was that only 1% raided end game content on an almost daily-basis schedule and only 1% of that 1% raided contested mobs. Look it up, it'll be buried in dev tracker somewhere.

Theres a huge difference between "1% are raiders" and "1% raided end game content on an almost daily-basis". Theres a lot players who participate in raids 3,2 or even 1 time a week, and/or dont reach the endgame content. They might be not "good" or "skilled" raiders, and not very dedicated, but they are Raiders (= using raid content).

Chris

Jaraxx · 12-02-2007, 03:40 PM

[quote=methulah;352081]Q for motherfucking E.quote]

Will someone please politely explain the two posts that said that - I don't know what that means - pardon my ignorance.

For the people posting about Avatar gear. Look, it helps but it's not needed - it's not a huge benefit it's not going to make or break any encounter. It gives us a little more of an edge on gear coming into this expansion but it's hardly that beneficial.

Most servers only have oen guild who killed the Avatars. Why's is that? It's because the others beat off the competition. It's their motivation/drive/focus mentality to kill them that benefits them in this expansion. Hardly the items from the Avatars themselves. I mean honestly after this expansion is over I can only think of three items people will be using.

Robe of Alk'abor
Resplendant Robe of Battle
Reinforced Slippers of Balance

Those three items sure do help. However they're not that big of a deal. You can kill any of these mobs without it - it just helps a little bit.

Cheers,