Domy

Manratten, I will respond to you as best and as honest as I can, without playing with words. I'm a gamer at heart, and a community guy. I played EQ1 for 7 years and I really enjoy EQ2. I play alot.

The reason I play is because it's thrilling to accomplish things on top of meeting nice people. I think that if there's nothing you can accomplish more than the next guy next door, then your accomplishments do not mean much. It is human nature to compare ourselves. It's simple as that, everyone wanting to work harder and success at something should automaticly be rewarded more than someone that dont.

What makes this success bar harder to obtain is what seperates "heroes" from the want to be hero. It's what you're playing for. This game is based on ACCOMPLISHMENTS and meeting other people. Don't turn the accomplishment parts into something everyone can just get anytime they want.

Contest mobs creates server community. If makes you build alliances. It makes you know other guilds. Hate them at worst, it's more important than you know...

Looking back at Everquest one I know why that game is still SOO fond to alot of EQ2 players... constested everything. It built community like I've never seen before in any other game.

Good day to you!

Domy
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Gaige

My UI doesn't show anything about encounter patterns. So all I can say to this is: stop cheating.

We killed every avatar that spawned on Kith in EoF and none of them died at 4am. So again, quit stereotyping the content.

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LFG

Agreed, I don't know where people get the assumption that US time uber guilds get up in the middle of the night to raid. I honestly think it's only lower, perhaps upwardly mobile guilds that do that.

In all the time I was in Disso and CL, over a year and a half total easily, I don't believe I was ever in any raid after Midnight my time, which is Pacific. I can say for sure I never woke up or received any message to kill any contested in the middle of the night. That just seems to be a popular myth noobs throw out as justification for why they aren't in that type of guild.

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Alesis

You are correct sir.

I hate people who think theyre better than me because you have more time to play a video game than I do.

I hate people who think they have more skill than I, simply because they can "lock down" a mob before anyone else gets out of bed and gets a crack at it, and because they "locked it down" they have more skill than anyone else.

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You havent refuted anything Ive said about scripting and its lack of real gaming skill. All I got in response is "Stop hating!"

There are mobs noone can kill atm, because they have new scripts, or guilds dont have the gear to kill em yet. So whats that mean? It means you gotta go kill the other scripted mobs first, and farm them, to get the gear up to par to kill the even more uber scripted mobs at the end of the food chain.

See how it works? Script 1 leads to Script 2 which opens up Script 3 so that if you farm it enough you can take a shot at Script 4.

Kind of like, o I dont know, say, reading a book. See in a book, chapter 1 leads to chapter 2 which leads to chapter 3, so that when you follow the bouncing ball, and you get to chapter 10, you have a clue as to whats going on. Because thats what EQ2 is, a story. A story told via a knock off of the old D&D paper game, where you get to play the hero instead of reading abuot it in 3rd person, and for that, you pay $15 bucks a month.

Now if you went to your local bookstore, and bought a novel off the shelf, and fuond out after taking it home that it was missing chapters, 11, 14, 15 and 17, youd be sort of sore about it right? You could still read the book, and prolly make sense of it, but there would still be some holes in it for you.

What if you took that book back and the guy who sold it to you said, yeah sorry, see that kid over there in the corner reading? He tore those chapters out of the book, cause he wanted to "dominate" the novel. Hes a super fast reader, and he feels like since he read it first, he had the right to "lock it down" and not let anyone else read those chapters.
Then when you go over to that kid and say " hey bud, can i get a shot at reading that shit real quick? Im dieing to know what happened in chapter 15, he replied with "FUCK YOU N00B! I AM THE FUCKING D0MINATOR! KNEEL BEFORE MY UBEROCITY GIMP, FOR ONLY I SHALL EVER KNOW THE SECRETS AND JOYS OF CHAPTER 15! FEEL MY ENORMOUS LITERARY EPEEN UPSIDE YOUR HEAD BITCH!"

What would you think or do?

This argument is about the OPs original question anymore. Instancing contesteds wouldnt hurt anyone except for the guy who feels like his only pleasure can be derived not from a healthy sense of competition, which could be satiated by being the first person to figure out a script and killing a mob, but rather from the ability to take away from others what he feels should rightfully have exclusive rights too. By depriving others of a chance to see what he has, he can feel superior.

Kind of like a grade schoolyard bully, who wont let anyone else go down the slides, because he has it "locked down".

PS: Man I need to learn to type better. I wonder if my secretary would start proofing this shit for me lol....

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Gaige

Do you just bypass posts quoting you on purpose because you're too fucking dumb to reply to the points raised intelligently?

Killing contested has NOTHING AT ALL to do with time. Once contested guilds get everything on farm status they don't have to play the game very much at all. Period.

You can't lock down a mob to a specific time, as you implied with your comment about "before anyone else gets out of bed". They have random spawn timers and will spawn within a window. If you kill one at 4am (which my guild never does) that doesn't mean it respawns next week at 4am.

You can claim raiding content doesn't take skill all you want, but explain then how come a hardcore guild can clear the first three tiers of RoK raids first time in and lesser guilds fail?

At any rate, your entire rant is offbase and silly. I've killed every mob in this game and had contested on lock down and I don't raid at 4am. I normally log off by about 10pm pst and I get on about 10am pst. In that twelve hour window I'm sleeping, showering, eating, touching myself, playing xbox, watching tv. All kinds of shit, like fucking your mom - but not killing contested.

Contested on Kithicor normally die between 2pm and 5pm pst. /shrug

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Obsidian

I HAVE A FULL TIME JOB I NEVER NOR DO I WANT TO RAID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IF MY GUILD LEADER PHONED ME AT 4 AM HE WOULD BE TOLD TO FUCK OFF !

i wrote that in big letters so u wont miss my point this time, a lot of the time mobs pop at prime time hours why hasnt some casual guild got a few contested kills then ? because hardcore guilds are much better at organisation/focus the pressure of having a serious competing guild like on my server only serves to improve those qualitys even more

so if these mobs are so easy and you could kill them so easily why dont you kill the next one with your guild or a pickup raid or something because they dont all pop at 4 AM YOU STUPID FUCK

Edit : i cant spell ;/

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LFG

I also must agree with Gaige on this.

The best guilds in EQ2 are often comprised of the most organized, highly motivated people on a given server.

These people collectively have learned how to achieve the maximum possible results in the minimum possible time.

They don't spend 12 hours a day raiding, although it's true it does take many other guilds about that much time to accomplish the same things.

It's not about the amount of time you put into something, it's about how you use that time.

The bottom line is, all the good guilds I've been in use their time effectively. You don't waste time waiting on people to show up or come back from AFK. The majority of your raiding time is spent raiding, with people who know how to play their class. That results in stuff getting done quickly.

When applied to contested mobs, that means they get locked down by the best and most organized, disciplined, and motivated guild on the server. Because that guild can show up quickly, and usually nails it first shot. They don't stand there for 3 hours waiting for needed classes to log on usually.

And usually, the most highly skilled and ambitious players tend to be attracted to each other, and end up in the most successful guild on the server. Coincidence? I don't think so. The most successful companies attract the best people IRL also.

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Uyaem

Sticking with that analogy, it seems to me that many people can't read or get lost in the story and quit before they reach the last page.

Knowing what a mob does does not mean you can beat it. It is the first step. There is encounters in the game that you will never beat unless all 24 people in that raid do it right. What you are refering to are the easy encounters in the game that HC guilds generally don't like, for the reason you mentioned. Contested encounters are harder, making it more attractive to those who want to beat everything in the game AND are willing to work for it, which is an important factor about contesteds that you neglect or at least never mentioned in your postings.

Take Avatar of Mischief for example, most guilds that tried it knew what was going on an hour or two after pulling it for the first time. Did that mean they could beat it without practice, without putting TIME and EFFORT into it? Does it mean that you can tell 24 random people of the right class, but who suck at the game how it works and they will ever beat it? If you truely believe that, you could not be more wrong.
What you are right about though is that there is decent to excellent players who do not raid, for whatever reason. I can confidently say they are in the minority.

Yes it is the easy way. How many guilds do you know that moved? I know of two. "The big masses"? mmmh...

It is a lot easier to get aggravated on a forum or the internet in general, since you rarely know the other person well enough to judge their written word. That however does not mean that they are idiots/assholes/bullies by default.

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Alesis

Lets bypass the 4am metaphor since it seems to be such a huge hang up for people.

4am is a metaphor for the "I can get it done anytime" mentality. So a contested pops at 7pm on a Wednesday. How many uber guilds would let you stay in it if you where like "Sorry, Wednesday is the wife and kids night, Ill be at Chuck E Cheese, good luck".

I have been in uber hard core server domianting guilds before (then Vangaurd came out, and we all left) and I will agree they are highly organized machines. I never once said they werent.

My problem isnt with the ability to get shit done on that level, its that the majority of these guys thinks it makes them rock stars, and carry an attitude that most NBA/NFL players would look down on.

My whole point to this argument is so what if they instanced contested mobs? You still get your peens off by being first, but then the rest of us get a shot too.

O and no quotes for this one, but Ill reply: Why do the super uber clear RoK weeks before anyone else as was asked? Hmmmmmm...might it have something to do with having a years worth of contested loots under thier belts? I know some like to say Avatar loot doesnt REALLY MATTER THAT much, but lets be honest.....were all EQ2 geeks here, we know the real story....the game is loot driven, and loots do matter....ALOT! If not, then people where mastercrafted and adept 3s with awesome skills would have been clearing TNT now wouldnt they?

As far as the "moving in mass" comment goes, i was referring to guilds moving themselves in mass, as in, entire guilds moving to new servers, not as in lots of guilds movign to new servers... Sorry, sometimes my English isnt so clear.

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Sometimes, when Im lost and down, I pray to My Lord, and I clutch my bracelet tight, and I ask myself....WWLFGD?

Thats when Gods voice speaks inside my head, and he usually suggests I shoot a big speedball of Heroin and Meth, and then go betray someone in an internet community, or at the very least belittle them because they dont believe in the same fairy tales I do.

LFG

That would ruin the fun of it. To the victor must be reserved some spoils.

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