Elastar

Bring us Silent City Tier8, contested epics area with ring events. But this time make loot at least sometimes good and named epics actually sometimes spawn =)

Prof

it is when all the mobs needed to trigger it are contested and it doesnt autolock when it is spawned.

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Hexus

While we're at it, let's just go back to Pre-Kunark EQ1 with every mob in the damn game being contested even after you engaged them and let's make all the servers PVP with no safe zones like in Shadowbane. I'm sure it would cater to a few people, but not to the masses.

Shut the Fuck up and go play!

-Hexus-

methulah

Good input, thanks for that. The thread is better for you.

I don't see the problem people seem to have with contested epics. They are a small amount of content which keeps a small number of players busy for a large amount of time. What's not to love?

Seriously, the issue is purely about the goals of various players. It's not my goal to kill avatars, which is lucky, because my schedule dictates that at the moment, I won't be doing much avatar killing. Someone from Second Dawn or another guild might well have it on their schedule to do some avatar killing. Good for them. Other guilds that aren't quite up there may also want to kill contested encounters. Gives them something to work towards.

I can't see the problem. Killing highly contested difficult epics is a tough slog. If you aren't up to it and want to be, work harder and dedicate more of your life to it. If you aren't up to it, and don't want to dedicate more of yourself to getting there, raid instances some more, you'll like it.

dalien

Seriously, couldn't have said it better. I'm a casual slob in this game and will probably never kill a contested. I'll join a PUG raid now and then but I have no problem at all with content tailored towards the people who are passionate about raiding.

If everything was easy enough that everyone could consume all the content in say, 2 months, most people would only stay subscribed 2-4 months a year (alts are only fun for so long).

IT'S NOT FAIR I CAN'T KILL TRAKANON WITH MY LEVEL 61 CONJ I'M PAYING THE SAME FEE AS THE RAIDERS PLZ NERF AND MAKE IT EASY SO I CAN SOLO IT THANKS. That's what some of you are saying on a basic level here.

Just because there's content you can't/won't reach in the game doesn't make it a bad thing. It's a good thing (for the game) in fact, it means you will always have more stuff to do instead of shelving it for a new game.

One last question... how many people complaining about contested here have cleared all the instanced content available to them?

Manratten

Well, have to respond to this.

The reason I went and looked at the playtime, was in the post that I quoted, they since amount of time didn't matter. The poster claimed a majority of his guild did all kinds of stuff outside the game, so I went and took a looksee. I completely qualified my response that it was hardly topnotch research, and commented in that post that it hardly meant they were raiding all the time. I didn't say anything about real lives, think you have me confused with someone else. Hell, to paraphrase, "Seriously, what the fuck YOU talking about?"

Cool. This kind of goes along with my comment that I specifically said I doubted all that time was raiding, but you probably already knew that. Well, probably, maybe, ok...doubt it.

And this is exactly the kind of thing that is absolutely disproved, though. If one person has double, triple, whatever the time of someone else, it doesn't mean they played substantially less, it means they played substantially more. Also, I have never used time as an excuse for anything, was only responding to a post (kind of like this one), in which the poster claimed time meant nothing.

Well, I'm not whining at all. That some people get better gear than me is fine, I don't have a problem with it. I started this thread with the comment and argument that it seems strange that developers would burn alot of time on something that inherently can only be used by so few people.

Now, some people have posted arguments that have had some bearing, I might not have agreed with them, but they had arguments. However, most posts were like yours, completely whining and crying about something I never said.

Manratten

Well, ok....who? Who said that? Well, you said it. That makes one, I guess. Noone said anything like that, noone implied anything like that.

Noone ever said one thing about soloing. Noone said anything, whatsoever, about making any encounters easier.

Actually, what I think some are saying on a basic level is,
Hey, the reason we have contested is,....., wait, ......., um, ......., HA...YOU'RE AN IDIOT...so there!! oooh, Snap!! What were we were talking about again?

Mendanbar

No, he just reduced the argument to essentially what you're crying about, but the difference is, you don't see it like that because you're being selfish and looking from your point of view alone.

Most people don't see contested? I would bet the majority of people don't raid at all, so let's get rid of raiding altogether, since that percentage that don't see the raid times have developer time wasted.

What, not everyone tradeskills? Let's get rid of it, wasted developer time.

What? Not everyone does heroic content? Get rid of it, wasted time.

Well what can we make kickass? Newbie island, everyone has to set foot on it.

This line of thinking doesn't stop at your bullshit "stop wasting time on contested" argument, it could easily be extended to cover other stuff that players don't do, and that would make this game a giant piece of shit really quickly.

methulah

Great, you've read the topic of this thread. Maybe now open your eyes and read the thread itself. The majority of people with views that are aligned with yours are complaining that making contested epics instanced would only harm those whom make it their aim in the game to "beat" all the content.

These people have come on here and said that, yes, they are the only people to whom this would be of detriment. Others have come along and supported them, like me. You can EQ2Players me if you want, my gear will tell you I've never killed a relevant contested mob. All in all, we've argued that while this would only be of detriment to those who want to beat the game, it's of benefit, to... ummm... well, nobody.

As I've said, if you want to beat the contested content, be skilled and dedicated enough to do so. It's possible. If you don't, stick to the ample instanced content provided, the contested content wasn't designed with you or I in mind.

I'm sorry, but that is just patently untrue. The whole point of this thread is to make encounters easier. You wish to make contested encounters easier by making them instanced. Yes, contested epics are currently the "hardest" mobs in the game in terms of strategies needed and sheer hitpoints and attacks. But that isn't the reason why they are difficult. No, that's because they are contested. The avatars aren't often up, and there is fierce competition to get a successful pull, let alone complete the encounter correctly.

Face it, you want to take content designed only for those who dedicate their game experience and a certain portion of their lives to completing that level of content, and you want to make it easier, so that you, and others can have access to it.

The reality is, this stuff wasn't designed for you. If you aren't doing it, that's probably because you aren't meant to be doing it. If getting all the raid rewards you want from instances doesn't keep you busy for very long, chances are you should start contesting, you might just like it. If that doesn't happen, let those that do, do.

Namai

I like this line of thinking.

Not everyone raids contested, so get rid of contested raid content.

Not everyone raids instanced raid content, so get rid of instances raid content.

Not everyone does heroic content, so get rid of all heroic content.

Not everyone solos, so get rid of solo content.

Not everyone tradeskills, so get rid of tradeskill content.

Not everyone decorates their house, so get rid of player houses.

Holy shit, we're left playing a chat room with dressup dolls!