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See, this in itself is interesting. It is pretty dang rare for anyone, casual, n00b, whatever, to complain that there are just too many contested. I mean, actually, I don't think I have ever heard that complaint.

The whiners, as you put it, are generally competely on the other side of the fence, on the HC camp. The biggest whines I hear are, not enough contested, contested is weak, that kind of thing. Oh, and after your guild (Not YOUR guild in particular, any guild that is in control of a server) has locked it down for a year, the complaint is you are bored to tears, because you are sick of killing the same thing all the time.

See, the thing is, I started this thread, because it always astonishes me often people on this board complain about the lack of contested mobs. What people don't seem to realize, by locking down servers, you are in essence ensuring the next expansion has even less, because you are enabling so few people to use the content.

Slamdar

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Quit being a little bitch because you and/or your guild suck

TANGARTH

Contesteds are the best part of the raiding game, if you played back teir5 you would know this. Even family guilds were killing contested because sony made so many that no one could keep a timer on all of them, even top top top end guilds. The problem is right now they're not making enough to leave any guild other than the top guild a solid chance at killing them.

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Um I'm totally certain it would be. The only reason that it makes sense to give contested the best gear in the game is become of the extreme limitation on how much of that gear drops into the game. If it was instanced and 100 guilds could kill it a week, the gear would quickly need to be toned down as it would probably be gamebreaking. When you have one or two pieces of the gear dropping a week, that is a different story.

On Kith competition almost always occurred for the PHH and we lost it a few times to a couple different guilds. The reason there isn't more competition is because dickwad pussies like you have a defeatist attitude and don't even try; yet you blame your servers resident uber guild. Go figure.

Contrary to popular opinion most uber guilds don't have 24 people sitting at the spawn point 24/7 ready to go within 30 seconds of spawn. We've left contested up for hours before, because they'll spawn when ppl are sleeping, or when the majority of the guild is working. Random spawn timers means contested can spawn at 4am, and I don't know about your guild but in mine most ppl are sleeping at 4am and working during the day. That leaves the mob sitting there for awhile...

Are you blind to all of the other raid content available, or are you just being an ignorant obtuse fuck on purpose? There are something like 30 named raid mobs in RoK in the instances, not counting the Shard of Hate. In RoK so far there is one contested The Tangrin, and the 12 avatars, of which only one can be up at a time, every 3 to 7 days.

Cry fucking more? The VAST MAJORITY of raid content is available to you when you want it, in a persistant zone, so you can take your time raiding it. That is as close as you are going to get to being handed fabled by SOE.

Being the greedy fuckface that you are though, having immediate instanced access to 99% of the raid content in an expansion isn't good enough, oh no, the only raid content that matters to you is the 13 fucking mobs they put in to throw a bone at contested raid guilds. FFS.

You're right. The bazillion solo quests, crafting quests, lore, fun shit, heroic instances, and raid instances they put in don't matter at all. Lets overlook all that content because it obviously doesn't matter. Since this is the entitlement generation and the gimme fuck generation its quite in vogue to gloss your eyes over at everything you were given to whine and bitch about the fucking sliver of shit you weren't. I wish I could fucking vacuum out your semen so the next generation of MMO players won't have to deal with your worthless offspring.

Because seeing The Tangrin is what is most important to most casual raiders, exactly.

NO! YOU WHINEY FUCKS WHO WANT THE FEW CONTESTED AVAILABLE INSTANCED ARE THE SELFISH ONES. Quit being so obtuse and open your greedy little eyes and think about what you're saying, ffs. The absolute definition of selfish is out of 44 raid mobs in an expansion, 31 of them are instanced and 13 are contested; and asking for the 13 to be instanced as well. EARTH TO THE MORON, SANITY IS CALLING.

Because they can. Because they want to try to be able to cater to as many playstyles as possible. Because the content does get utilized. The bigger question is why not? If they can cater to casual guilds and hardcore guilds in one expansion, why wouldn't they? Obviously creating contested doesn't deter or detract from instanced raid content creation, since the VAST MAJORITY of it is instanced.

When a hardcore guilds moves servers it just starts killing content that wasn't utilized on the server they moved to, which addresses your complaint about SOE designing content that doesn't get used. Its not as if players on Lucan D'Lere will killing contested before Strike moved there. So its a good thing for the game.

The same reason there are solo mobs and heroic mobs. The same reason there are crafting quests and lore and legend. The same reason there are heroic open dungeons and heroic instances.

Because in order to make the most money it makes sense to put content out there that will hopefully appeal to someone. Not every player in this game utilizes the level 80 heroic instances, nor does every player utilize the level 80 crafting writs, or utilize all the tinkering recipes in this game. But all that shit is there so that hopefully, something about EQ2 will appeal to someone. That way everyone wins. Players, no matter what they enjoy, can find something they like in EQ2.

Plus, as I've stated 100x and you already know, SOE already makes most raids instanced. Quit being a greedy fuck and wanting all raid content catered to your playstyle. You're hurting my feelings.

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Talonis

Fixed.

If that were the case, the 'super ubers' could auto-pop the encounter for themselves when they feel sad. BTW, that was spoken like someone who won't put forth the effort as mentioned above.

Then why bitch about it?

Once again, you, like countless others before you, make the assumption that bragging rights is the primary reason. Jealous dumbfucks like you skip over the other points mentioned and go right to bragging rights. Sorry random_jealousgimp_01, the bragging rights are frosting on the cake that your envy grants to those of us that put forth the effort to beat the encounter. Without your envy, there really is no bragging rights because nobody but those doing the killin actually give a fuck. Thanks for empowering us with your jealousy and granting that little extra tidbit besides the kill and the metal chest.


Sorry, this isn't 7 y/o tee ball where everyone is a winner and everyone gets a trophy at the end-of-season banquet. You have plenty of instances to satisfy your fairness gene. If you feel slighted or robbed because you won't put forth the effort to down 2-3 encounters per level cap, then buck up and get motivated. You are conceding the contest and if you can't have it, nobody should. Nice logic. Sorry you suck at the game.

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gungo

While i think we need contested he does have a point with the above veiw. There is several guilds who have left thier former servers competition to go to servers with less competition. For those people to say contested are needed becuase it provides competition is the definition of hypocritical.

In my view contested are needed. Contested are not much harder then instanced content as many raiders want to beleive. If Contested was instanced most guilds who could clear every instance in game would be able to kill most of these newly instance contested.

The reason i think contested is needed is when all instnaced content is cleared and farmed out. Contested provide a limited quantitiy of upgrades. They spawn approximately once per week on the server and drop upgraded loot to what you have. It is a limited quantity of loot due to the nature of contested spawns. Furthermore these limited quantity of loots can be lost if you do not kill this mob. Thus it provides an additional tangible real value loss. This is the adrenaline rush people talk about. It is not neccessarily killing the mob that is the rush becuase when those mobs are on farm status it is trivial.

This is why some guilds leave thier server to less competition servers so they may have easier access to this upgraded loot. At the same time they want some competition so that they have a minute chance to loose this loot. But what they don't want is for that competition to beat them to that loot, because then they just wasted thier time. This is why it sucks to be the number 2 or 3 guild on your server. Because while you may be able to kill those mobs and obtain that upgraded loot. You will not be given the access to it unless you are better then the other guild on your server. In essence beating the number 2 and 3 guild on thier server provides the number 1 guild that extra adrenaline rush.

In real world analogy making all contested content into instanced content is like running a race by yourself. Sure you just ran the 300 meter dash, but who did you beat.

Catseyes

there should be more contested, with different toughness and gear level ,but not only contested.
Instances are giving to ppl that cannot jump into game anytime, something to raid when they want. Same thing than for HC , they wouldnt stay if they couldnt get raid at all coz the lockdown.

I raided HC during EQ1 before the first instances , and having guilds in the day loguing and locking before you was pretty anoying. Nothing you can do when you work and they are online. PoTime was a benediction.


But more contested yes, some minors that will be for lesser guilds , and some majors for only hard trained and geared ones. Even if sprinting with another guild to Ssraa or Planes was thrilling and fun , i was depressed by cleared areas =p

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I see alot of people say they would leave if contesteds where yanked from the game or instanced. I hear people saying the top guilds would be bored and just bail out of eq2.
My question is: So? Who gives a fuck? SOE loses 50 accounts per server to make 1000s of accounts happy? If I had to fire 50 of my clients at work to make 1000 happy, you better believe youd be looking for a new place to spend your cheese lol. Its not even a logical argument to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum) are that important.
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Gaige

Hello Crushbone, This is the Matron calling. Yeah you know, the Matron from the Fallen Dynasty adventure pack? Anyway could you just leave a message with Elysium, especially that Gungo guy and tell him I read his post about contested not being much harder than instanced and it made me chuckle out loud. Thanks.

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