Should contested Epics even be bothered with? - Page 30

Alesis · 12-07-2007, 03:43 PM

Im sorry, I assumed we where discussing EoF content, since the basis for most of the conversation seemed to be Avatars and contesteds, I assumed we all where on the same page there.

Fine, up until a few weeks ago at expansion release, I had.

EQ2 flames is fun lol, its like a sub game of EQ you can play in your office. Reminds me of the old EQ1 days, /nostalgia on.

Choadley · 12-07-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

What I mean is that those defending contested encounters seem to enjoy the rush of actually competing for them, but at the same time, those people have gone out of their way to say how little competition there really is, and how these encounters are sitting uncontested for days, weeks or even months. Which is it? Is there real competition for these encounters or not?

No. You're putting words in people's mouth. Nowhere did I say there was no competition. I said we form for them when we get on. That means everyone else who tries to compete is forming at the same time and heading there. You're the person who said there was no competition. Quit being a fucktard. Let me spell it out for you:

There is competition for it. We enjoy it. It's just not during off hours like you seem to think. It's during prime play time.

Caswydian · 12-07-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Choadley

There is competition for it. We enjoy it. It's just not during off hours like you seem to think. It's during prime play time.

How would you react if another guild on your server played at a very different time (say European or Australian time zones, as opposed to North American), and so was able to get these encounters without any competition as a result?

Would you be willing to go to more extreme measures, like waking up early in the morning, to get a contested encounter?

Crychtonn - Bylar · 12-07-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I have.

Even more important how many guilds on your server had cleared all the instance content. Because that is the small amount of people that are according to you getting screwed. The 1000's of other people playing that don't raid or do little raiding but don't have the ability to finish the instance content aren't.

So if we go on the infamous 1% of 1% dribble. Doesn't that drop you into the 99% of 1% segment? And while that 99% looks big it's still only 99% of 1% which is pretty damm small. Because that 99% of the 100% population dwarfs you and could care less about contested as many of those have posted here already.

Crychtonn - Bylar · 12-07-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

How would you react if another guild on your server played at a very different time (say European or Australian time zones, as opposed to North American), and so was able to get these encounters without any competition as a result?

Would you be willing to go to more extreme measures, like waking up early in the morning, to get a contested encounter?

Euro guild killed Avatar of Valor on BB just before the expansion. They split PHH with us and server other guilds for longer then that. You keep loving to forget that these things spawn randomly. Some guilds do what you suggest but they are the minority. On most servers avatars died during regular raiding hours. And yes there was competition because most guilds have similar raid times.

Choadley · 12-07-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

How would you react if another guild on your server played at a very different time (say European or Australian time zones, as opposed to North American), and so was able to get these encounters without any competition as a result?

Would you be willing to go to more extreme measures, like waking up early in the morning, to get a contested encounter?

We happen to have competition like that on the server, from a guild in China. They have taken PHH from us multiple times. We also have 2 other guilds on very much the same time table as us, within an hour. They all equal competition in some way or another. We would go to higher measures if needed, because you don't stay tops on the server if you're not willing to sacrifice.

Your arguments have all been about having any type of competition at all up until now. We have 3 other full time raiding guilds on the server, for competition with one being in China. That's plenty of competition for contesteds, because if they pop during play hours they have to be dead by the end of the night or others will have hours to work on them.

Atelos_AB · 12-08-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Then let's get rid of them.

Contesteds cause nothing but drama.

One of the developers stated several months ago that there weren't going to be any contested mobs in RoK, but I don't recall a reason. Perhaps the huge drama-fests that go along with them....

Obsidian · 12-08-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

So, if the reason they were not killed regularly is because even the most skilled and best equipped guilds were not ready, this defeats the argument that there is open competition for these encounters.

I am noticing a lack of coherency in the arguments coming in favor of contested content. On one side are people claiming lots of guilds have a shot at these encounters, yet others claim only the most elite guilds stand the slightest chance against them. Some claim that the purpose of contested encounters is the rush of the race to beat them, but equally claim that many of these encounters go unchallenged for days or weeks on end, and the raid guilds engage them at their leisure.

how hard is it to understand that when new content is released the harder part of that content is going to be done last ? the only time contested is up for weeks is when its new and people are working out strats etc

we pull contested we cant kill yet and just survive aslong as possible to gain as much info as we can its called effort

ANYONE CAN KILL CONTESTED BUT IT REQUIRES MORE THAN SIMPLY LOGGING IN

and one more time since u seem unable to take this on board THERE IS SERIOUS COMPETITION FOR CONTESTED ON MY SERVER which consists of us and defiant who kill contested and redemption who aspire to kill them hell i remember one time when Xanadu Defiant redemption and remnant were all in mayongs room taking pulls and same thing for avatar of growth

Alesis · 12-08-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Obsidian

how hard is it to understand that when new content is released the harder part of that content is going to be done last ? the only time contested is up for weeks is when its new and people are working out strats etc

we pull contested we cant kill yet and just survive aslong as possible to gain as much info as we can its called effort

ANYONE CAN KILL CONTESTED BUT IT REQUIRES MORE THAN SIMPLY LOGGING IN

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and that sir is the only difference beetween us as u so eloquently put it super uber Epeen strokers and you
not 10 hour a day playtimes that u seem incapable of letting go of i have a full time job how the fuck can i play 10 hours a day

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How much of a time investment would you say is required for this process? weeks you say? sounds like it might take a wee bit longer than 3 hours a day, 3 days a week doesnt?

correct me if Im wrong, but didnt you jsut say that to get to the point that you can come in and put contesteds on farm status it takes weeks to get the strat right?

Which is it? do these mobs require weeks of time learning them, or do you just blast them out of the water in 15 minute play sessions due to your superb playing skills, l33t deduction skills, and unholy ability to focus beyond that of the normal man?

arguing both sides of the coin at the same time, using any argument available to rationalize whatever is most conveniant at the time is weak sauce.

nice debate skills bud, which side are you on again? I believe you just disqualified yourself from arguing FOR the contested camp lol, simply because it doesnt seem you can pick a direction and stick with it.

Obsidian · 12-08-2007, 06:50 AM

3 hrs a day for weeks you absolute fucking idiot just because a mob is up for weeks doesent mean we are constantly pulling it when instas are locked we go and try it out for a night if we feel we have a working strat and its doable then we go till its dead

and im not arguing both sides of the coin my argument from day one has been that you have to work to get contesteds not to the ridiculous amounts of time you dremt up in your idiot head however

the reason you dont get contested is because your a lazy whining twat who wants things easymode im not the only one telling you that why dont you go and make you own MMO

call it hippy pacifist everyone is the same so no one gets jealous equality quest or something