Should contested Epics even be bothered with? - Page 4

Camryn · 12-04-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I see alot of people say they would leave if contesteds where yanked from the game or instanced. I hear people saying the top guilds would be bored and just bail out of eq2.
My question is: So? Who gives a fuck? SOE loses 50 accounts per server to make 1000s of accounts happy? If I had to fire 50 of my clients at work to make 1000 happy, you better believe youd be looking for a new place to spend your cheese lol. Its not even a logical argument to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum) are that important.
You woke up at 3:30am last night to drop the Avatar of X? /golf clap.

I'm in a guild that doesn't kill contesteds. And I dont really care.
Seriously dude, wtf.

As long as contesteds arent needed for a Progression line of some sort. Let them have some of the best loot in the game for those that are able to/have the devotion to get up at crazy hours to kill them.

Removing contesteds would make 1000s of accounts happy?
lmao. riiiiiigght.
It'd piss of the few that do killl them. And the rest of the game wouldn't give a shit because they didn't kill them in the first place.

Gaige · 12-04-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

Its not even a logical argument to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum) are that important.

Its not even logical to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum omg) pull contested. Its way more. I realize having a defeatist loser attitude makes it hard for you to accept that others are out there trying while you just cry in your oatmeal, but its true.

Illuminator · 12-04-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I see alot of people say they would leave if contesteds where yanked from the game or instanced. I hear people saying the top guilds would be bored and just bail out of eq2.
My question is: So? Who gives a fuck? SOE loses 50 accounts per server to make 1000s of accounts happy? If I had to fire 50 of my clients at work to make 1000 happy, you better believe youd be looking for a new place to spend your cheese lol. Its not even a logical argument to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum) are that important.
You woke up at 3:30am last night to drop the Avatar of X? /golf clap.

Corporate conglomerates sell off mildly profitable divisions and disband mildly profitable product lines all the time because they know they can better invest the resources into REALLY profitable divisions and REALLY profitable product lines. More bang for the buck, and who really cares if every single solitary would-be customer is happy or not? But that's the world of reality, this here is just upside-down la la land.

kyros · 12-04-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I agree.
So what if 6 guilds got a crack at them? So 144 (not hundreds) people got to see the mob die. That leaves out the other , o I dont know, lets say 3000 people on the server who where logged in and who never even got a chance.

no, that's not how it works on befallen.
these aren't your "uber hardcore" 23 member guilds.
i'm talking about raiding guilds that pull from a field of 35 - 50 (maybe more) people.

eternal chaos
fallen
defiant
reborn
delusions of grandeur
clan of shadows

and taking into account changing faces as people quit or change guilds, and my guess puts the number of people that killed contested between 300 and 400. (in EC alone, we killed contested with at least 70 different people throughout all the changes we saw to our roster)

the pumpkin headed horseman usually drew 3 or 4 guilds per spawn. early on, avatars saw the same. (and not always the same guilds)

i know you're on some holy war against the endgame, but please don't make ignorant posts because you think you know everything. befallen was not your typical "one guild lockdown" server in the eof era.

gungo · 12-04-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I see alot of people say they would leave if contesteds where yanked from the game or instanced. I hear people saying the top guilds would be bored and just bail out of eq2.
My question is: So? Who gives a fuck? SOE loses 50 accounts per server to make 1000s of accounts happy? If I had to fire 50 of my clients at work to make 1000 happy, you better believe youd be looking for a new place to spend your cheese lol. Its not even a logical argument to think that 50 accounts per server (maximum) are that important.
You woke up at 3:30am last night to drop the Avatar of X? /golf clap.

Apparently you still don't get it. Contested content and the upgraded loot it gives. Is just another goal.

Without contested content and its very limited loot. Those 50 accounts and then every other account who are trying to reach that goal will quit. Because at least under the new 1 year expansion release path, when those guilds are done with all instnaced content and have farmed out those drops, whats next? Contested

Contested are limited loot and limited chances. That is where the extra rush is. The chance/risk at actually having a tangible loss. How much a risk a guild is willing to take depends on that individual guild.

You basically asking to remove the gold medal from the olympics.

Gaige · 12-04-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Blah blah blah make shit instanced so Disruption has a chance at it.

When did you become a casual whiny fuck?

Illuminator · 12-04-2007, 11:49 AM

Do your worst.

Manratten · 12-04-2007, 11:50 AM

Gaige:
Again, it seems odd you are accusing me of crying. That was one heck a bohoohoo post you made there. (Go back and read it, you are one whining dude) I completely agree that there are dang few contested. I completely agree there is more instanced stuff to do than contested. I'm not crying about that, you are. It's ok though, let it out.

What I am saying is, it seems like there will be less and less contested every expansion, because it appears to make so little business sense in making more. (Since, dang, so few will use it) And again, put yourself in the designers shoes....would YOU spend alot of time on it?

I've thought about it, and making Avatars that will get upgraded from one expansion to the next seems about exactly how much time I'd personally bother with. Would toss the HC Contested people a bone, but wouldn't waste much more time than that on it. heck, they even made Grape Ape....a bonus!!

gungo · 12-04-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Corporate conglomerates sell off mildly profitable divisions and disband mildly profitable product lines all the time because they know they can better invest the resources into REALLY profitable divisions and REALLY profitable product lines. More bang for the buck, and who really cares if every single solitary would-be customer is happy or not? But that's the world of reality, this here is just upside-down la la land.

Corporate comglomerates also purchase mildly profitable divisions to divest tax losses as well as invest in not for profit charitable funds to promote a better good will customer appreciation. And thus your analogy serves no point.

kyros · 12-04-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

Hello Crushbone, This is the Matron calling. Yeah you know, the Matron from the Fallen Dynasty adventure pack? Anyway could you just leave a message with Elysium, especially that Gungo guy and tell him I read his post about contested not being much harder than instanced and it made me chuckle out loud. Thanks.

hahahaha

that was funny.