Alesis

What would you do if you paid your fee, showed up and sat down, the first hand was dealt, and then before you even had a chance to go, "wow, this cat just dealt me a natural full boat! I might win this hand! hell it could be my lucky night!", some dude across the table pulls out a .45, and plugs the dealer right between the eyes, then turns and looks at everyone and says "I win bitches, put your wallets and watches on the table."
What if he had the same cards as you?

This is what happens at a contested spawn.

The haves will never understand that the have nots are perfectly happy letting them have thier limelight, but some of them would just like a shot at the mob themselves, even if its just to practice it for hours on end to wind up in failure.

Your not allowed to argue any other point than the fact that they are downright ENTITELED to the mobs, because they get to play more/harder/longer than you.

Its the "Boys Club", and if your not in it, you dont matter apparently.

Im curious, as for all the people arguing on these forums that the contested raiding guilds are entitled to it, how many of them are in contested killing guilds?

How many people not in contested killing guilds are vocal in supporting a contested guilds right to exclusivity on that content on this forum?

And Finally, how many people not in contested killing guilds are just to much of a pussy to stand up and say anything, because they fear future reprisal when they app those guilds.

Me, I dont give a fuck, cause If I ever have enough time on my hands to join a contested killing guild, its time to /wrist, so if I want to state I think that it would be more fair to instance this shit so everyone could ride the ride, then Ill do so, wether you or anyone else agrees with me.

Its easy to talk about how much of a right to own a thing is when you already have it. Forceably taking it away from a guild who spent the last year practicing the same thing your trying to do, while they stand over your shoulder waiting for a single mistake to cost you the mob is a different thing entirely though, when your not on that level yet.

Well a lesser guild get a shot to pull? Sure. Well they get a chance to pull a 2nd time if they make a mistake? If theyre lucky. A 3rd? Not on my server.

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Edwin Ahe

Someone move it into R-a-R section allready.

Alesis are you a masochist? It looks like you just love to own yourself in a very brutal way.

Soulforged

your analogy is saying that the opposing guild have the ability to disconnect all your computers from inter webs, and therefore taking away any chance of even being around for a contested kill.

the more appropriate scenario:
if the contested hasn't been killed yet:
you sit down say "okay, this is my first time playing, so I'm still learning" you may get a chance or two to win, but odds, are, you wont.
The person across you has had some experience in previous, likely in a different game(not poker), but they can handle the pressure and perform under it. So they have a slightly higher chance of winning, but none really more than you. (the metaphor here is that the other guild likely has taken down contested in previous tiers)

If the other person has killed the contested, and you haven't:
You sit down, same as before, its your first time, you're untrained for it, you don't know the game.
The person across from you sits down, they have spent time before playing in tournaments under pressure, and know the game pretty much inside out, and they have payed for that knowledge with many defeats, and much money lost, but in the end: theyre better for it (ps: the metaphor here means that they bit the deaths to learn the encounter, when you were too pussy to)
Odds are that at this stage the opponent will beat you. However, in every game, in every encounter there is always the all powerful "Luck" factor, and it can screw over the best players. And when that hits, which can be often, it can be rare, any guild or group of players can pull a mob to either kill it, or eat the deaths and become better knowledgeable about the encounter because of it.

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methulah

Fuck this, either this thread turns into a Alesis R-a-R, or it ends soon, please. The fact is, contested epic content is for the top tier of raiding guilds who have the time, skill and dedication to compete in this contest. It is not for anyone else, and as it was not intended for anyone else, it is functioning as designed. If some guilds aren't up to that level yet, they shouldn't be in the contest, if they want to be, then they should work towards it.

In this game of ours, there is solo content, group content, instanced raid content and contested raid content. All are different, and require different levels of dedication and motivation, and have rewards that match. Let that be the way it continues, because anything else is broken.

Let's stop pulling the RL card; it's not important. It's not important in the least. If these contested raiders are indeed dedicating their lives to the game, that's fine, they're doing so to get access to the content that was designed for players like them. If they can do it without that, more power to 'em. If you, like me, don't have the dedication or priorities to get to the stages required for successful contested pulls, then you weren't meant to take take down contested epics. Simple as that.


Stop whining. Enough content exists for all types of players. If you can't handle contested, stick to the content that is designed for you, I sure as hell will. And to answer Alesis' question about the number of people in this thread who have never killed a contested mob, yet still defend their right to exist? There are plenty of us; learn to read with an open mind.

ScareCrow144

Yeah, you seem perfectly happy.

Obsidian

plz explain how any guild ever exclusively owns a mob ? it has been said time and time again it is there for anyone to pull and if u get 2 pulls every know and again on a contested thats is enough to eventualy kill it thats a fact

and you analogy about the poker game and a gun ? what a load of nonsensical crap really you imply that to pull a contested you have to make a choice beetween life or death what a load of crap really

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Epitaphe

is he allowed to see anguis ladoon or the windstalker rumbler or is it off limit to him.
honnestely if i was on his server i d make a life duty to ruin his gaming experience.

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Alesis I'd try and respond to the analogy you twisted my poker post into but what you came up with makes absolutely no sense. Check the previous guy that twisted it around with the - I show up and sorry tourny is over twist. That at least made sense.

The only one here with entitlement issues is you.

Did you know this game envolved contested raid content? A simple yes or no question.

Yes you did and ignored it and spent money on the game anyways knowing you were against such content. I know the car was red when I bought it sir but I want it to be black so change it!

or

No you didn't know it was part of the game. Which means you spent money on something without checking it out. A fool and his money are soon parted anyone . . .

Either way you're the fool for paying for a game that caters (sp?) to a style of play you hate. You are the spoiled brat crying about how unfair it is the game doesn't work the way YOU want it to. If that isn't a sure sign of someone with serious ENTITLEMENT issues I'm not sure what is.

asdfjkl

Contested epics/mobs aren't going away. The encounters are designed for "hardcore" players that need to always have that something bigger, better, faster, more shiny, +1 than the next guy. It's an important part of any MMO really in order to keep that % of the player base happy, challenged, and renewing their subs.

There will always be a contingent of the player base that dominates every single piece of PvE content you throw at them. As a content developer you are trying to please all the people all the time, but it's impossible to underestimate how stupid a certain % of your player base is just as it's impossible to overestimate just sad some of your really hardcore player base is.

In order to keep their sub $$$ in the coffers, you have to give them contested content to keep it interesting for them. Some people really get off on the rat race / adrenaline rush / "fuck you other guilds" type of stuff (which is funny because in my admittedly limited experience with contested mobs in EQ2 a lot of those same players are honesty too cowardly to even duel let alone play on a PvP server).

Fortunately, SoE has made these encounters both challenging and rewarding but completely optional. I've played other MMO's in which killing contested mobs was practically a pre-requisite to survive certain instanced encounters (e.g. not afraid to admit it, WoW (pre-TBC), contested mobs dropped nature resist gear that was absolutely 100% mandatory to even hope surviving in late AQ40).

It's really nothing to lose sleep over. There's a ton of other content out there offering comparable risk and reward. I do understand some of the frustration of being on a server where one guild gets 99% of the contested kills and never lets anyone else take a shot to even learn the encounter. That being said, it's really fun to be in the guild that dominates 99% of the time, and it's also really fun to be in the guild that beats them to the punch just that 1% of the time. Again, it's a game mechanic that's not for everyone but it's become an integral part of MMO's.

Faraw

Alesis, I'd recommend you to FIRST go ahead and clear all the instanced RoK content and THEN come back here and whine if you feel the need for it.