Should contested Epics even be bothered with? - Page 5

Illuminator · 12-04-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gungo

Corporate comglomerates also purchase mildly profitable divisions to divest tax losses as well as invest in not for profit charitable funds to promote a better good will customer appreciation. And thus your analogy serves no point.

So, you give me "cooking the books" and "charity" as your defense. Nice try, anyway.

Gaige · 12-04-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

Again, it seems odd you are accusing me of crying. That was one heck a bohoohoo post you made there. (Go back and read it, you are one whining dude) I completely agree that there are dang few contested. I completely agree there is more instanced stuff to do than contested. I'm not crying about that, you are. It's ok though, let it out.

What I am saying is, it seems like there will be less and less contested every expansion, because it appears to make so little business sense in making more. (Since, dang, so few will use it) And again, put yourself in the designers shoes....would YOU spend alot of time on it?

I've thought about it, and making Avatars that will get upgraded from one expansion to the next seems about exactly how much time I'd personally bother with. Would toss the HC Contested people a bone, but wouldn't waste much more time than that on it. heck, they even made Grape Ape....a bonus

I wouldn't spend a lot of time on crafting, tinkering, transmuting, lore or lots of shit that a minority of players use. But they do. I wouldn't limit my development scope so much that it alienates entire groups of players, but then again I'd be making the game to make money, not to appeal to the "I'm entitled to everything when and how I want it" crowd.

In the scheme of things, raiders in general are a vast majority to solo'ers. So, following your logic, they should just make every encounter, quest, and instance in this game a solo mob that scales by level. That would ensure everyone that pays them money gets to do all the content they implement.

Probably wouldn't even have to scale the loot down according to you.

I'm sure you're too ignorant to realize that is where your arguement eventually leads. There will always be a playstyle that outnumbers your playstyle. So even if you are successful in getting everything instanced and having contested done away with, you better start looking over your shoulder. Because the players who don't have time/don't like to raid will be chasing your ass down and asking SOE to make everything heroic. Since more people can do heroic content, it'd only make sense that SOE listens to the money, and bam no more raid content. Etc etc.

Of course, I'm probably giving you too much credit to be able to see your whiny ass rants for what they really are.

gungo · 12-04-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

Gaige:

What I am saying is, it seems like there will be less and less contested every expansion, because it appears to make so little business sense in making more. (Since, dang, so few will use it) And again, put yourself in the designers shoes....would YOU spend alot of time on it?

I've thought about it, and making Avatars that will get upgraded from one expansion to the next seems about exactly how much time I'd personally bother with. Would toss the HC Contested people a bone, but wouldn't waste much more time than that on it. heck, they even made Grape Ape....a bonus!!

And this at least is what i think is SoE's stance as well. They do not want to divest a large amount of development time into the 1% of 1% of contested guilds. But at the same time i hope they see the value in continuing to offer contested mobs. I am fine with them having 15+ contested avatars and the occasional ~2-3 extra contested per expansion. I do however think if they intend to spend this development time on these avatars to fully utilize this content they should also seperate the timers on these avatars, But that is another story.

gungo · 12-04-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

So, you give me "cooking the books" and "charity" as your defense. Nice try, anyway.

I deal with those features daily and is quite common practices. In fact this example of "cooking the books" is completely legal. In fact it is not even considered "cooking the books'. As imbecilic as someone who uses the term "cooking the books" could be in this situation. But obviously you have no idea wth you are talking about and are just rattling off what you consider big words to seem intelligent.

Edit: Seriously you are completely stupid. Cooking the books is not a tax write off you moron. It can be several schemes not the least of which includes under reporting income, or using tax shelters, or sham corporation to hide losses. There is a difference between tax avodiance and tax evasion. One is legal and encouraged and one is not. So please stop spouting off concepts above your intelligence level or paygrade.

Talonis · 12-04-2007, 12:08 PM

The majority of the players get uncontested access to a majority of the content. If you want to experience that minority content left over, seperate yourselves from the majority and put in the effort.

Working as intended.

Kungao · 12-04-2007, 12:15 PM

to the OP stop whining

to SoE put 50-60 contested 80-85 epic X4s in scattered thru whole of norrath that should solve the 1% of 1% lol (i wonder where that dev pulled that bs up from)

Illuminator · 12-04-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

I deal with those features daily and is quite common practices. In fact this example of "cooking the books" is completely legal. In fact it is not even considered "cooking the books'. As imbecilic as someone who uses the term "cooking the books" could be in this situation. But obviously you have no idea wth you are talking about and are just rattling off what you consider big words to seem intelligent.

Edit: Seriously you are completely stupid. Cooking the books is not a tax write off you moron. It can be several schemes not the least of which includes under reporting income, or using tax shelters, or sham corporation to hide losses. There is a difference between tax avodiance and tax evasion. One is legal and encouraged and one is not. So please stop spouting off concepts above your intelligence level or paygrade.

Even Donald Trump called bankruptcy a legal manuever, to say nothing of the sour ethic of writing off $ millions of money other people invested with him.

Hell I remember a business meeting I attended where the accounting department was congratulated for our quarterly profits. Despite the fact that they neither market, sell, service, nor produce product. Karma caught up with that department head.

The mainstreaming of the Enrons and Tycos doesn't make it any less shady what you're trying so hard to butter up. Wanna try it a 3rd time?

Dants · 12-04-2007, 12:23 PM

If you remove contested, you remove a lot of the drama that feeds sites like this one.

So with that said, if you remove contested you'd hurt EQ2Flames, and no one wants to hurt this site, do they?

razieh · 12-04-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

Would toss the HC Contested people a bone, but wouldn't waste much more time than that on it.

Personally I think just increasing the level of old mobs is a slap in the face. If nothing is changed to avatars its an insult to every raider, are we just suppose to do the same content for almost two years?

More than half of the scripts on raid mobs are broken and the only thing making mobs even remotely difficult so far is the fact they hit so hard. I'm going to assume you don't even know this yet. While you are bitching how contested should be instanced I'm willing to bet you wont even progress that far until the end of the expansion if that. You some how are not even 80 yet, they made leveling a TOTAL joke and you can't even do that.

gungo · 12-04-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

Hello Crushbone, This is the Matron calling. Yeah you know, the Matron from the Fallen Dynasty adventure pack? Anyway could you just leave a message with Elysium, especially that Gungo guy and tell him I read his post about contested not being much harder than instanced and it made me chuckle out loud. Thanks.

It is not we got him to under 10% in august of that year then stopped pulling him for months. When we finally went back to him another guild was attempting him so we ended up killing him shortly thereafter.
Do you honestly think if the matron or anyother contested was instanced that no other guild world wide would of killed it as well?

Don't fool yourself you are either stupid, nieve or both to think no other guild worldwide would of killed that mob as well before EoF. But then again what should i expect from a notrious guild hopper drama queen such as yourself. Who was regularly stated as a piss poor player on these boards by people he plays with. You are the kind of person who considers himself a better player becuase of the guild he associates himself with and not on his individual effort. In other words you are a leech who would transfer servers several times in order to steal credibility from better people in order to pad thier own legacy which lacks any individual acheivements of worth. It is really quite sad to see how pathetic you truly are.