Should contested Epics even be bothered with? - Page 50

kyros · 12-13-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

What would you do if you paid your fee, showed up and sat down, the first hand was dealt, and then before you even had a chance to go, "wow, this cat just dealt me a natural full boat! I might win this hand! hell it could be my lucky night!", some dude across the table pulls out a .45, and plugs the dealer right between the eyes, then turns and looks at everyone and says "I win bitches, put your wallets and watches on the table."
What if he had the same cards as you?

This is what happens at a contested spawn.

The haves will never understand that the have nots are perfectly happy letting them have thier limelight, but some of them would just like a shot at the mob themselves, even if its just to practice it for hours on end to wind up in failure.

Your not allowed to argue any other point than the fact that they are downright ENTITELED to the mobs, because they get to play more/harder/longer than you.

Its the "Boys Club", and if your not in it, you dont matter apparently.

Im curious, as for all the people arguing on these forums that the contested raiding guilds are entitled to it, how many of them are in contested killing guilds?

How many people not in contested killing guilds are vocal in supporting a contested guilds right to exclusivity on that content on this forum?

And Finally, how many people not in contested killing guilds are just to much of a pussy to stand up and say anything, because they fear future reprisal when they app those guilds.

Me, I dont give a fuck, cause If I ever have enough time on my hands to join a contested killing guild, its time to /wrist, so if I want to state I think that it would be more fair to instance this shit so everyone could ride the ride, then Ill do so, wether you or anyone else agrees with me.

Its easy to talk about how much of a right to own a thing is when you already have it. Forceably taking it away from a guild who spent the last year practicing the same thing your trying to do, while they stand over your shoulder waiting for a single mistake to cost you the mob is a different thing entirely though, when your not on that level yet.

Well a lesser guild get a shot to pull? Sure. Well they get a chance to pull a 2nd time if they make a mistake? If theyre lucky. A 3rd? Not on my server.

seriously man, i'm starting to think that you have some issues.
it's not healthy to hate people that have a different play style so much. so what if they're serious about the game? they have that right to be as much as you have the right to not be. is it seriously so oppressing to you as the person not killing contested that other guilds kill them? so much so that you analogize it to being robbed? do raiding guilds rob you of your self esteem when they kill contested and you don't? seriously, for someone that claims to care so little for the game, you're way too bent out of shape about this crap.

are you just out to ruin everyone else's game? what the hell do you have against "endgame" raiders? if you think they're wasting their lives, then fine, but you really have no place to come barreling in telling everyone how to live and what to do with their time.

get over it. contested are a part of eq2. they're going to stay a part of eq2. if you don't like the game, then quit playing. you make it sound like you've already got better things to do, so you should probably get back to them instead of worrying about stupid game things that you don't really care about.

let go of your vendetta, end your crusade, get on with your life. if you hate the game - or the people in it - so much, then just quit. i did.

Alesis · 12-13-2007, 12:11 PM

/shrug, I just feel like its like paying for Cable, or a book, or renting a movie.

I pay SOE for a service, just like I pay Comcast for a service. If I have access to every channel on the tube, but every time I try to turn on HBO I get a message that says "Sorry, your neighbor is currently watching HBO, try again in a week," Im gonna be pretty annoyed. How many times should someone attempt to tune into HBO befor they give up on Comcast and get a satellite?

What we have here, I think, are a bunch of dudes who CAN tune into that content, arguing about thier right to keep being the only people who have a decent shot at that content, with a few people who have enough balls to stand up and say, "Id like to check it out too, but cant, due to real life constraints, lack of effort, lack of skill, or just no time."

Congratulations you can put in more effort than the average player ON A FUCKING VIDEO GAME. Just because you can watch TV with more intensity and time than I can, doesnt mean I shouldnt get to watch HBO either. Just because you tuned into the channel first doesnt give you ALMOST exclusive rights to view it, and effectivly cock block everyone else on your block from getting the channel.

Well I guess in EQ2 it does, but the rest of the world doesnt really use that buisness model, because if they did, they would find out they cockblocked themselves from future sales. We all know how good SOE is at managing there MMO platforms though dont we, so I guess its to be expected. (Vangaurd, SWG etc)

As Ive said all along, an instance solves that shit. Those who enlarge thier epeens by being first and pretending like its a competition get the ability to brag about data domination, and those who think the games a book, finally get to read that chapter.

I still wonder, out of 50 pages of arguing over the topic, how many of these posters are in guilds who CAN kill contested and how many are in guilds who CANT? Seems to me the vocal majority arguing for the current system are in guilds who can, so we kinda get a birds eye view of thier motivation I would think.

kyros · 12-13-2007, 12:18 PM

i've been in a guild that could take down contested, but for most of my career (and i good portion of the time i was in that guild) i have been in one of the guilds that shows up and doesn't get the kill or doesn't show up at all. that said, contested are fine and they are going to stay.

moving on, your analogy is again retarded. you pay for tv to get access to a stream of entertainment. when you pay for eq2, you pay for interactive content that requires you to do something to be successful. contested are the "timed test" of the game. if you don't kill it first, someone else will.

in eq2, there is only one option for the end game: raiding. unlike other mmos, there are no alternative sources of entertainment and character progression. the culmination of eq2 raiding is contested. that is the system that eq2 has always had, that is the system it will continue to use. if you want other options for the end game, find a new game. if you want to talk about eq2, then you have to talk about a strictly raid-oriented end game that includes contested.

edit: the service that you pay soe to provide is access to an online virtual game that includes other people. you do not pay them for a tv show or a movie, you pay them for the access to the game. to play a game, you must interact. can you see the distinction?

kyros · 12-13-2007, 12:45 PM

while i'm thinking about it... it's been stated before that the biggest problem with the current game in the contested department is the number of current tier contested available to kill.

if you were around for the raiding days of t5, then you would remember all the contested that were available. i wasn't a raider back then, but there had to be more than 10 different contested. as expansions have been added, none of them has matched the raw expansiveness of the original game's content. while zones keep getting bigger and bigger, the depth of each zone keeps shrinking. contested were so great for the end game originally because there were too many for any one guild to really lock them all down.

so really, alesis, the problem is not with the concept of contested, but with the way that they have been implemented over the four expansions to the game. (and you can't bring up the "number" of contested in eof, because the avatars only count as one since they share a spawn timer.)

Crychtonn - Bylar · 12-13-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

/shrug, I just feel like its like paying for Cable, or a book, or renting a movie.

I pay SOE for a service, just like I pay Comcast for a service. If I have access to every channel on the tube, but every time I try to turn on HBO I get a message that says "Sorry, your neighbor is currently watching HBO, try again in a week," Im gonna be pretty annoyed. How many times should someone attempt to tune into HBO befor they give up on Comcast and get a satellite?

If the person had a brain cell the answer is Zero. Because they would have known they'd have to fight for something if they signed up with Comcast and chose another option. Or the person would choose Comcast because they want that extra edge of having to fight to get it.

/shrug appears you just don't have a brain cell since you chose Comcast anyways.

What we have here, I think, are a bunch of dudes who CAN tune into that content, arguing about thier right to keep being the only people who have a decent shot at that content, with a few people who have enough balls to stand up and say, "Id like to check it out too, but cant, due to real life constraints, lack of effort, lack of skill, or just no time."

No, what you have here is a player base that read the back of the box before buying the game. They understood what they were paying for before they paid for it.

/shrug unlike you who apperantly paid for the game with no clue what you were buying.

Congratulations you can put in more effort than the average player ON A FUCKING VIDEO GAME. Just because you can watch TV with more intensity and time than I can, doesnt mean I shouldnt get to watch HBO either. Just because you tuned into the channel first doesnt give you ALMOST exclusive rights to view it, and effectivly cock block everyone else on your block from getting the channel.

Congradulations to you! For spending your $$ on a game you don't like. For continueing to pay to play a game you don't like. GRATZ!!

/shrug Next time read the box before you purchase something??!?!?

Well I guess in EQ2 it does, but the rest of the world doesnt really use that buisness model, because if they did, they would find out they cockblocked themselves from future sales. We all know how good SOE is at managing there MMO platforms though dont we, so I guess its to be expected. (Vangaurd, SWG etc)

You're right EQ2 does it and so do most MMO's. Want it not to be that way find the MMO that doesn't or get a console game. But again please read the box before buying it! It helps I swear!!

As Ive said all along, an instance solves that shit. Those who enlarge thier epeens by being first and pretending like its a competition get the ability to brag about data domination, and those who think the games a book, finally get to read that chapter.

You mean solves the problem for the small number of idiot shoppers (like yourself) that purchased the game without reading the details of the game??

I still wonder, out of 50 pages of arguing over the topic, how many of these posters are in guilds who CAN kill contested and how many are in guilds who CANT? Seems to me the vocal majority arguing for the current system are in guilds who can, so we kinda get a birds eye view of thier motivation I would think.

If you paid attention to anything other then your own ramblings you'd have seen quite a few posters are in guilds that can't.

Know what you're buying before you pay for. <--- Do this simple step and you will be a happier person.

Qayr · 12-13-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

I still wonder, out of 50 pages of arguing over the topic, how many of these posters are in guilds who CAN kill contested and how many are in guilds who CANT? Seems to me the vocal majority arguing for the current system are in guilds who can, so we kinda get a birds eye view of thier motivation I would think.

Hi, I'm not in a guild that can kill contested and I agree fully with those that are. They are right, you are not entitled to having contested served to you on a platter, you should fight for them just like everyone else has to. Those that are able to kill contested were not always able to do so and every night one spawns they have the chance of losing one to another guild. Putting the contested in instanced zones wouldn't solve anything... it would remove some of the fun the hardcores get from the game (which we have established is much more then what you originally stated) and would contribute to the downfall of EQ2 (much like it did in EQ1). I said earlier that there is no logic on your planet and I stand by that.

IMO, being in a guild that has to fight for a shot to even attempt a contested for the first time can be more fun then being in the guild that has the contested on "lockdown". If you don't have competition it can get old after a while and you start wanting other guilds to at least try to steal a mob from you. The thrill of the first time you are able to take that mob away from the #1 guild is incomparable to any other accomplishment in the game.

It's times like this that I really miss EQ1. When nothing was instanced and guilds trained bosses on eachother to prevent them from getting an attempt in. When people used the Ogre models to their advantage to block passageways. When healers actually HEALED and tanks shit their pants when they went "purple". When people actually had to work hard and spend alot of in game time camping spawns (3+ days) to get anywhere in the game (ok I don't miss that too much but it cut down on whiners because they quit). When whiny people would get their guilds blacklisted so all of the "better" guilds would put aside their differences and work together to keep contested on lockdown to prevent the whiner from getting any.... oh... wait...

Obsidian · 12-13-2007, 04:25 PM

alesis remember that time you sat down to dinner with your family u finnished saying grace and were just about to eat when....... BAM !

some hardcore raiders jumped out of a nearby closet and urinated on your dinner/family its not fair u went to work to earn the money to pay for that dinner and the super uber dominatorz took it from you

and thats why contested should be removed from the game !

just thought i would make your next post for you so u have time to get shit proof read wash the car whine like a bitch etc

Alesis · 12-13-2007, 04:34 PM

No Obsidian, but I do remember that time I wanted to play EQ2, but some whiny fucking bitch who had been online for the last 3 days solid came in and ganked my shit, and then walked around going /flex while he kept spamming his macro /say "Im better than you because I play more!" all the while sitting at home masterbating furiously at his triumphant domination.
So I logged off and went to entertain myself some other way, and when I logged back on, 2 days later, that same whiny cock sucker was still crowing in /level chat that "THE OVERKING IS DOWN! SERVER FIRST LOSERS!" and wielding his fabled loot like he actually won an Olympic gold medal.

Fuck you its a competititon you ego manical cry baby faggot. You want competition, Play DAOC or play on Naggy you fucking pussy.

pagansaint · 12-13-2007, 04:42 PM

So because you lost a contested mob, a competition type event, you want them removed from the game.

Competition does not mean, give everyone a turn so they can ALL go home winners, competition is someone wins, someone loses, you don't want to lose, either get the win or don't try.

Just because you're too big of a fuckstick loser who wants shit just handed to him, doesn't mean the people you can't compete with shouldn't get the content they want.

Remember all of those spam applications to top end guilds you put out?

The ones where you said you were available 24/7 for shit, but not really in every post you have made so far, didn't want to do anything, wanted to vid cap raids and said you would just be little more than a bot.

Yet here you are pushing for content to be removed after apparently every one of those applications was denied.
Alesis.

Please tell me you are joking, I had been operating under the assumption you were an idiot, not a special needs kid like this is starting to really show out as and will start to feel kind of badly for verbally/textually abusing someone as retarded in real life as you act.

Obsidian · 12-13-2007, 04:47 PM

if i wanted to play DAOC or whatever the fuck it is i would if its so good why dont you fuck off and play that ? and if i did play it and people were better than me at it i would take my hat of to them ,

i certainly wouldnt start crying like a baby like you and using some anology about how if u bought a spandex jump suit and you came home and a hardcore raider was wearing it it would be wrong so they have to give u all stuff for free wah wah wah etc

my post was to highlight the absolute nonsensical rubbish your posts analogys contain i am not the only person telling you this and i just got in from work 50 mins ago thats 7:50 here in the uk

your a whinning bitch with stereotypical ideas on raiders thinking that the only reason they get ahead is because they sit in there dark basement doing nothing but eating junk food and playing eq2 well its not its just because they arent defeatist pussys like you ;p

all these uber PVP games you speak of go play em if you like em so much i personaly prefer my PVP in FPS form or like ive said earlier in this thread on a pool/snooker table in real life :p