Should EQ2 Developers Be Allowed To Join Raid Guilds? - Page 16

Holyhands · 12-17-2007, 10:26 PM

I had 3 devs and curt shilling in my old guild and we had no unfair advantages imo

aduros · 12-17-2007, 10:29 PM

Devs have been in raids guilds since launch, yet the same complaints about raiding still exist. I don't understand how people think that all of a sudden now raid issues will get fixed with devs in high end guilds. That point might be semi-valid, if they just started raiding last week.

Mendanbar · 12-17-2007, 10:57 PM

What proof do you have that any of the fixes that occur don't come from it? You're pretty much only speculating. There's tons of complaints that get sent to the devs that get a "working as intended" response" back. Some of those that got fixed may be because one of them leaned over to a coworker and said "No, dude, that thing really is pretty fucked up."

aduros · 12-17-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendanbar

What proof do you have that any of the fixes that occur don't come from it? You're pretty much only speculating.

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Originally Posted by Mendanbar

Some of those that got fixed may be because one of them leaned over to a coworker and said "No, dude, that thing really is pretty fucked up."

Interesting.

Mendanbar · 12-17-2007, 11:35 PM

No, I'll admit I'm speculating, that's why I used the word "may". That's what it does, it indicates that it's not a fact. You've stated a few times that them being in guilds has done no good.

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Originally Posted by aduros

They have been raiding in high-end guilds since launch. So lets cut this bullshit of 'oh well if they get to raid they can finally fix our problems'. Well guess what: They've been raiding since launch yet the same problems still exist, and some have gotten worse. Raiding in a high end guild isn't their only way to 'percieve content as a player'. In fact they stated themselves that high end raid guilds make up 1% of 1%.

There's been plenty of fixes to raid content. Are some problems still there? Yes. Lots of them are fundamental issues or class-based issues. I think it's crazy to act like you know for a fact that no good came from them being in a raid guild. I posited a general situation where it might.

aduros · 12-17-2007, 11:44 PM

Why exactly do they need to be in a high end guild to fix these problems? The mechanics for raiding are the same throughout casual and hardcore raiding guilds. Don't forget there's still that country club called the Test Server, not to mention 4+ months of Beta, /feedback, /bug, even their own website. Yet they should forgo these resources, and join a high end raid guild to fix our problems?

If devs can only find fixes by joining high end guilds on live servers, they should be fired. If that person is incapable of using the proper resources and mediums to find and fix issues, your much better off hiring someone else who can.

Mendanbar · 12-18-2007, 12:04 AM

Because the experience isn't even close to the same. Though ideally, I think that they should have devs looking at both sides, casual raider, hardcore raider, grouper, soloer. All facets. If they kept it public, some of these issues would probably work themselves out anyway.

Here's my viewpoint on the topic...

If a dev is readily leaking strats to his guild to get WW 1st again and again, it's obvious, and that can be easily caught and they should get punished. Situations like this are obvious like people arguing back and forth about when a change to a mob is going to go in. I remember a bit of that back with AoM. Punish the people that violate the rules.

So that leaves 2 options.. .either, figure the mob out completely on your own, while the dev just plays along and stays quiet in the background about any game mechanics (nothing wrong with this whatsoever), or the dev keeps giving hints, but the guild intentionally can't get WW1st so that there is not suspicion on the dev.

Who is willing to intentionally perpetually be #2 in a competition just to take a shortcut? If this type of situation arose, I would figure people's own ambitions would get in the way of this even working.

Blanka · 12-18-2007, 04:01 AM

WW1st's are overrated anyways. That feeling you get when you take that mob down for the first time or before someone is great, but honestly if you have a dev in your guild feeding you strats no way is it as rewarding a feeling. In the end these guilds are just cheating themselves out of that OMGWEOWN feeling and seriously big fucking deal. We all know the guilds that have devs or maybe have devs and the ones who did BETA. Look they killed it good for them and if they are happy being first with an * well good for them some more. If you honestly think being WW1st is any type of important thing in life well I am sorry that your life sucks that bad. Kill shit, enjoy, be happy you killed it first with dev help or not, in the end we just all play this game to have fun, so again enjoy!

Snark · 12-18-2007, 04:06 AM

Devs should be able to do whatever the fuck they want. But, if you know a dev is in a guild, its your right to talk all the shit you want about that guild. Because it is a pretty easy target.

oh, and ww1st have become pretty meaningless, as people have already stated.

aduros · 12-18-2007, 05:15 AM

It's a matter of integrity. These people are in a unique position of power compared to other players on live servers. They should not place themselves in situations where they would be tempted to abuse this power. High end raiding being one of them.