Laodaron

Are you kidding? Unethical? From playing a video game? What about the developers of Madden? Can they play? Can they play it live? Unethical? Really? That's the word you'd choose?

They definitely SHOULD be in raiding guilds, especially if they do any developing of raid content. They should know the encounters. They should know what's wrong with the game. Notice these are all "should" statements....

There's no longer any point in being a WW 1 or whatever guild. SOE has basically removed the justification for it by not putting contested content in until the expansion was two months late. If a Dev knows something everyone else doesn't, it doesn't matter, because this game is so easy that most guilds can figure shit out pretty easily. Took most guilds like 10 days to get to Trakanon that wanted to be there...a dev in the guild doesn't make that any faster.

For the record, its not unethical for a developer of a game to play their own game. It would be unethical for them to sell their dev flagged toons on exchange.

Krontak

Yes, unethical is the word I choose. Its the reaction people give me also when I mention it so I'm not alone. You also brought up instanced content which I covered and did not include in the unethical behavior. You seriously have reading problems and this isn't the first time I've seen this from you. Please read more closely rather than knee jerk reactions next time.

Aren't you the guy that thinks being racist to people is OK? Ahh, you are truely the definative source of ethics.

Laodaron

What? I think you're mistaken.

And it doesn't matter. Its not unethical, and they need to play the game they develop. 65% of the posters agree with me, not you.

Krontak

Mistaken on what?

I also agree they should play the game. What are you not able to understand? Please re-read what I said.

Laodaron

Yup, just read it again, and your stance is anti dev. You want them to play, but while everyone else is discussing work, or what they did that weekend, he devs can't talk. The devs also can't help with strategies, and basically just sit in the guild and attack.

However you believe contesteds to be the same as monetary contests, and you think that if a dev lets someone know that they are a dev, they should be punished by the ethics commission.

I will admit I was partially wrong about your stance. My fault on that, but my point still stands. There could be an entire WW guild of nothing but devs, and its not unethical. It only becomes unethical when they do it for money or some other gain than in a fantasy world.

Krontak

I never said monetary contests. Please quote me where I said that. Stop making up shit.

But, since you've spun this off into your own twisted way of thinking I'll play your dumb game. Assuming you were a McDonalds employee, which I'm kinda gathering you are at this point, would you rather have a piece of contested gear that you worked months for or would you take the free soda you won on the match three mcdonalds game?

It has monetary value. The soda seems trivial right? But still, unethical for the employee to play. Why is that do you think? Because the employee has an unfair advantages as it influences the publics participation. When they take the posiblity away they remove the possibility that corruption can exist. That's my point.

People are fucking cheaters, you give them the opportunity, and they fucking cheat. That's the problem.

Illuminator

People would have to be fools not to see that right away. But the gravy train is good, and officially sanctioned apparently, so why rock the boat and forfeit the easy blessings, right?

Unless you're in a guild forced to compete at contesteds with a raid guild with a dev, especially if said raid guild just so happens to browse next-tier beta raid content at next-tier level cap while everyone else grovels waiting for a buffbot just so they can do a heroic instance or two. Who holds the door open for them?

This is actually a very cut-and-dry ethics issue, it just needs a PR panic scenario to resolve it. So Krontak really just has to wait for that, and induce it any way he can. But the first step is education, hence this thread.

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Caswydian

How far should you take this? Should the family members of devs be allowed to join raiding guilds? Friends? Should people in close contact with devs and other SOE representatives, like major fan site administrators, be allowed in? What about other companies that regularly do business with SOE, and thus come in contact with the devs? Should the guy at the restaurant where the devs like to go for lunch be allowed in a raiding guild? After all, he might overhear them discussing some new encounter?

Laodaron

Wow. I agree with Cas. To limit the devs is to limit the playerbase in general.

aduros

Exactly my point, and the reason I created this poll. If testing is the issue, maybe they should look at the Test server as a whole. Atm it's a complete joke, with about 30 people online at any given time.

Just the devs. Nice try a dramatizing your point, but only a Dumbass would agree with that. Wait, look what we have here below....
This is probably the single dumbest thing posted, this entire thread.

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