tomthumb

That's not a real good argument, quite dumb to be quite honest.

Ok, let's see, why would anyone be a teacher if they can't sleep with their students?

Why would anyone be a cop if they can't get blowjobs for not giving tickets?

Why would anyone be a stockbroker if not to trade on their clients account?


OH WAIT, IT'S THEIR JOB AND THEY RECEIVE MONETARY COMPENSATION FOR IT.

SALARY is the reward, not dicking around in your game world. If the SALARY isn't ENOUGH, then maybe ask for a raise or GTFO and look for another job.

Kampfer

It is a fucking game end of story. Get the fuck over it.

It's pretty stupid to not have devs playing the product. You want them in the finished product experiencing bugs/problems with the rest of us.

Mendanbar

I almost feel like passing out the tinfoil to a degree...

No, there probably aren't 24 devs that are familiar with raiding, high end raid mechanics, or even have the skill to perform and complete those raids.

Putting them on their own server is foolish, they wouldn't get to experience the game the same way as the other players, and that includes full of lag and all the other bugs that can come with a live server vs. a test server.


Your analogies are retarded. You give an example of a job where tbh, it is only to the benefit of the person receiving their services if they also use the result of their services. How many people would go to a stock broker that wouldn't dare invest their own money?


The situation here in the end is that you guys assume that because changes don't come quickly from devs raiding, that that must mean that they have no interest in fixing the raids, and merely to "make their characters friggin uber". But who gives a shit if the character is uber if you had to tell your guild how to beat broken content with an exploited strat? No one. You're all conflating the problems with having a small staff (because of a small playerbase) with assumptions of the worst - that devs are literally constantly handing out strats and favors.

People cry foul because a dev's guild gets into beta, but guess what? You'd all bitch just as much if the content stayed broken from beta because the people testing it weren't used to working as a cohesive unit. A group of rag-tag players are never going to complete the same challenge that a well-oiled guild would, so the beta content would be toned down to the "easy-as-shit" level, and you'd all just be crying for another goddamn reason.

I've seen games where devs don't play their games. They're usually shitty games. I'd take a game where a dev takes pride in the game and plays it and wants to fix it any day of the week over one of those games.

Having said that, if a dev's guild repeatedly gets WW 1sts on things, I don't think it's unreasonable to put some log files on that character or to do some monitoring of that guild to see if there is information being passed through. If they're found guilty, then bust them.

Forbidding people from doing things just because of ASSUMPTIONS of what MAY occur is just retarded though.

Savanja

I don't care if they play as long as they resist the temptation to give out special favors. I know there have to be SOME ethical devs, right?

Emanji

OK I used to be in a hardcore raiding guild with a DEV and I can honestly say that it really doesn't help you anymore than not having one, in term of killing raid mob. Just because the person is a dev doesn't mean that he/she knows EVERYTHING about the raiding game. Why do you think they play the game? They want the same excitement that goes with raiding. Raiding is like playing football, your game plan is only about 10%, the other 90% is in the execution. A good raiding guild is a good raiding guild, matter of fact the DEV that I know came from another guild on the server that isn't so great. Like I said, it really doesn't matter.

sompet

I wouldn't want to play a game where devs are limited on their play accounts. They should be allowed to fully experience and enjoy the game. That can make a game really good.

Being corrupt is a whole different thing. It's about that person only not the devs in general.

tomthumb

Except you're trying to have a cake and eat it too. If you allow an opportunity, rest assured someone will take advantage of it.

This whole notion of "we should allow people to do ehically-risky things, as long as those people are honest" is extremely juvenile. As you grow up you learn that opportunity breaks people. Not everyone, but reliably enough.

Mendanbar

Nice age play card. Corrupt individuals are not a reason for something to not exist, they're a reason to punish the shit out of people that abuse it and get people into the right positions.

Gaige

Tigole copies guilds to test realms in WoW all the time and walks them through the raid content...

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Daedalus

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If playing helps them figure out how to fix shit, then I don't care if they play.
Just as long as they aren't giving guilds huge favors.