Should EQ2 Developers Be Allowed To Join Raid Guilds? - Page 7

Savanja · 12-16-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

so lemme get this straight... all i've heard in other threads is people whining that devs don't play and don't know what the content is about.

but devs shouldn't play and raid in competitive guilds? right. let's take away their ability to perceive the content as a player. THAT will make the game more fun.

my opinion: let them play. any dev with a shred of honor and self-worth will not give out favors. players will enjoy the experience of playing with the people that make the game. devs get to actually interact with other high end gamers and are more likely to understand problems that arise with the game.

i'm sorry if you're that worried about a guild with a dev being better than you. pretty lame.

That's right. They are suppose to know and understand raiding, but they are NOT allowed to play in a competitive raiding guild.

So huh. Wow. How does that work again?

I've played with a few devs and they never did me any favors on the live servers, they just played the game like anyone else. But then I'm not in the uberest raiding guilds either, so I dunno. I clearly did not play with the right ones.

Gaige · 12-16-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cracatoa

You worked there? You know Tigole personally?

If Tigole copied over a guild he was personally involved with, he'd be fired. Its in the company policy handbook. They have an entire team dedicated to doing nothing but making sure their own employees aren't cheating.

I know guilds who have tested raids with him on test realms, yes. Whether he is personally involved with them or not is a moot point, one of your gripes was about SOE allowing guilds like FoH to beta test raids with developers.

I was merely pointing out that Blizzard does the same thing.

I mean look for yourself:

[GW] BlizzCon 2005 - Raid Panel Notes - World of Warcraft

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Blizzard stated that a non-guilded (pickup) group will never play at the same level as a more cohesive, less-skilled raiding group. Basic testers cannot match raid guilds in their abilities. Due to requests by the community, Blizzard kept Blackwing Lair off of the public test realms, so that the 'highend' raid guilds could be the first to raid them. Blizzard learned their lesson from this, and all future raids will be on the public test servers, as they are an invaluable tool for them to find and fix bugs.

In fact they thought leaving a high end raid zone off of test was a mistake, and now everything goes onto the test realms and gets tested by raid guilds.

As for knowing Tigole personally nah, but I talked to him at Blizzcon in Anaheim before /shrug.

I'm curious where you got a copy of Blizzard's company handbook, tbh.

Cracatoa · 12-16-2007, 09:40 PM

Quite possibly when I worked there.

Gaige · 12-16-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cracatoa

Quite possibly when I worked there.

Like when you worked at Microsoft? You're so full of shit it leaks out of your scalp.

Between your two stints in the military, your two injuries, your 20 hours a day playing MMOs and laying in your mom's trailer sweating as the box fan whirls and you dream of Nitatzu I'm amazed you've had time to also work at Blizzard and Microsoft.

At any rate, you're wrong as usual. Go figure.

Corsica · 12-16-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

1. You are insinuating that Scott had a hand in the UT issue - this accusation is baseless, so why are you perpetuating this rumor?

2. There is no such thing as a 'raid guild' in any official capacity. While some guilds prefer raiding, there is no such thing as a raid guild either at a mechanics level or rules level. A guild is a guild.

3. Any raiding competition is informal and not endorsed by SOE as an official aspect of their game.

Wow, SOE's greatest fanbitch/apologist EVER is polluting these forums now. SOE has never EVER done ANYTHING wrong in this bitch's eyes!

Khalan · 12-16-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

Like when you worked at Microsoft? You're so full of shit it leaks out of your scalp.

Between your two stints in the military, your two injuries, your 20 hours a day playing MMOs and laying in your mom's trailer sweating as the box fan whirls and you dream of Nitatzu I'm amazed you've had time to also work at Blizzard and Microsoft.

At any rate, you're wrong as usual. Go figure.

Lol @ this.

Anyways, I voted no, but I think their should be some leniency as long as the dev didn't design the encounters and wasn't spilling strats.

I know CCP has an internal affairs dept and so should EQ2.

Gaige · 12-16-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

I know CCP has an internal affairs dept and so should EQ2.

After what happened at CCP they pretty much have to :P That shit was way worse than anything that happened in EQ2.

kyros · 12-16-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aduros

They have been raiding in high-end guilds since launch. So lets cut this bullshit of 'oh well if they get to raid they can finally fix our problems'. Well guess what: They've been raiding since launch yet the same problems still exist, and some have gotten worse. Raiding in a high end guild isn't their only way to 'percieve content as a player'. In fact they stated themselves that high end raid guilds make up 1% of 1%.

Why not keep your identity secret then? What good could possibly come of your guild knowing your a dev, aside from constant pleas to 'help' them.

Ok, Jackass. Look up my toons and ask yourself if it looks like I'm raiding hardcore anymore. Nope, I'm pretty casual now. So lets cut the shit right here: I'm focusing on a topic that affects more people than myself. So no one else try and pull that 'stop crying because devs are beating you' bullshit. I'm talking about an issue thats been going on since launch, that has to do with developer ethics and their interaction with players on live server high end raid guilds, and right now it reeks of foul play. So please, don't be a Dumbass.

i'm gonna put your last paragraph aside, cuz you obviously let your emotions get the best of you. what i said was not directed at anyone in particular, but was just a jab in general at people who might take that approach. also, i thought it was kind of funny that you broke my post into parts and got progressively more angry as you read like i was arguing with you over a series of responses when it was a stand-alone post.

anyway, on to my real response. i never claimed that they haven't been raiding since launch. all i'm saying is that it's impossible to understand the player perspective if they don't play. if they do play and don't think that your concerns are legit, then whatever. but if they don't have the chance to see it from your side, you'd end up with no chance at getting things fixed.

as for staying anonymous, i don't really have an opinion on that. if that's the answer from your point of view, then fine. i don't see it making an actual difference, though.

finally... please, don't read in to what i said. it's pretty clear what i meant, so don't try to put words in my mouth.

Orochan · 12-16-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fomka

don't be stupid, sure I got ya sarcasm or I would've said that you was dumb etc...

My apologies!

And look aduros, tbh, there is no way that us ( the players ) are going to tell the devs ( the ppl who run this game ) what to do, ever.

It's as simple as that, if they wanna be in raid guilds or w/e, then let them. It's Their game, we just play it.

And tbh from what I've read it doesn't seem like an issue that ppl quit over, I mean I've never heard someone say "Dev X is in guild B, it's so unfair imma /wrist."

So for the guilds that clear content w/o dev help, more power to ya.

And for the guilds that clear content w/ dev help, cool beans.

Let's leave it at that lol.

aduros · 12-16-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

i'm gonna put your last paragraph aside, cuz you obviously let your emotions get the best of you. what i said was not directed at anyone in particular, but was just a jab in general at people who might take that approach. also, i thought it was kind of funny that you broke my post into parts and got progressively more angry as you read like i was arguing with you over a series of responses when it was a stand-alone post.

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Originally Posted by kyros

anyway, on to my real response. i never claimed that they haven't been raiding since launch. all i'm saying is that it's impossible to understand the player perspective if they don't play. if they do play and don't think that your concerns are legit, then whatever. but if they don't have the chance to see it from your side, you'd end up with no chance at getting things fixed.

as for staying anonymous, i don't really have an opinion on that. if that's the answer from your point of view, then fine. i don't see it making an actual difference, though.

finally... please, don't read in to what i said. it's pretty clear what i meant, so don't try to put words in my mouth.

Here's the thing, why do they have to raid with the 1% of 1% to get a player's perspective? If your raiding with avatar loot and the best gear the game has to offer, your perspective is going to be skewed compared to those who don't fit into that tiny bracket. Wouldn't they devs be better served playing your average raid guild, so they would have a much more accurate perspective?