SOE Licenses 3rd Party RMT Company for In Game Virtual Property Sales - Page 25

TANGARTH · 12-18-2007, 04:08 PM

WoW is so god damn popular becuase it's gameplay is polished, mechanics work and the progression is great.

Just adding exchange is going to kill every EU and NA server and it's not going to matter if it gains appeal in asia becuase there'll be no one left

Trumak · 12-18-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Prof

You said your skill got you your gear; that through countless hours of raiding your skill got you your gear.

Due to your skill, through countless hours of raiding, you progressed to the point at which you now have gear.

Fatcat01 pays SoE $$ and gains the same gear in a matter of minutes instead of months. He saved countless hours of raiding to progress to the point at which he has the same gear as you.

Due to his fat wallet, through mere minutes of filling out an order sheet, he progressed to the point at which he has the same loot as you.

Gear makes or breaks encounters, as seen by the use of mender bots. If gear didn't matter you could raid naked with nearly the same effectiveness. His obtaining your gear in a minute fraction of the time it took you just trivialized all the killing of shit you are so proud of. Add to that the fact that the big spender has an easier time learning encounters due to his higher tier loot. But his making trivial your accomplishments doesn't matter to you.

No I said gear was a side effect of my skill. And there are plenty of people who have shitty gear who are good players. He didn't trivialize anything cuz he has never killed anything. Gear matters but it's not the end all be all. A raid of 24 shitty players decked to the teeth couldn't clear vp. And my accomplishments have nothing to do with gear. I play to kill shit the gear is a bonus.

Otis · 12-18-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumak

So you just felt like arbitrarily asking me what if I was the person who he bought the gear for cash from?

Ok my turn. What if you were a pink elephant?

Yay saying things with no meaning is fun.

This is getting painful:

Question 1:

Since you are in the top raiding guild on your server, and since that guild pretty much brings in all the top end gear, would you really be against being able to sell that gear for cash, as opposed to either twinking an alt, letting it rot in the bank, or selling it on the broker for plat?

Question 2:

See question one, but sweeten the pot with a "Looted by: Dissolution" tag.

I was actually interested in hearing your opinion.

Kampfer · 12-18-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. The day SOE makes official RMT transactions possible in any form like Station Exchange on the non-SE servers, or allows it through a licensed 3rd party seller such as the one linked by the OP, is the day I cancel my accounts and never again play a SOE game.

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10TACLE STUDIOS, Acclaim, GoPets LTD, and Ping0 Interactive Limited to Launch
Publisher-Supported Marketplace for Secure Virtual Trading

Soe has how many mmo games and who know how many more coming down the pipe they they may have wanted to use this with. People assume it is for eq2 with zero proof, I bet half the people that read that didn't notice that funcom was also listed which if we are playing the assume game would mean Age of Conan.

TANGARTH · 12-18-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

This is getting painful:

Question 1:

Since you are in the top raiding guild on your server, and since that guild pretty much brings in all the top end gear, would you really be against being able to sell that gear for cash, as opposed to either twinking an alt, letting it rot in the bank, or selling it on the broker for plat?

Question 2:

See question one, but sweeten the pot with a "Looted by: Dissolution" tag.

I was actually interested in hearing your opinion.

It won't matter when people quit becuase this is bullshit, people aren't going to sell anything for plat anymore becuase they could get cash instead.

I don't care it's looted by, this is a game, I play this for fun. There's been tons of studies about how when something becomes a job instead of a hobby it's massively less enjoyable

Trumak · 12-18-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

This is getting painful:

Question 1:

Since you are in the top raiding guild on your server, and since that guild pretty much brings in all the top end gear, would you really be against being able to sell that gear for cash, as opposed to either twinking an alt, letting it rot in the bank, or selling it on the broker for plat?

Question 2:

See question one, but sweeten the pot with a "Looted by: Dissolution" tag.

I was actually interested in hearing your opinion.

Of course I wouldn't be against getting real cash for shit we would otherwise transmute. No one in their right mind would be imo. But that isn't the reason I am for it if that is what you are getting at.

Widem · 12-18-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

This is getting painful:

Question 1:

Since you are in the top raiding guild on your server, and since that guild pretty much brings in all the top end gear, would you really be against being able to sell that gear for cash, as opposed to either twinking an alt, letting it rot in the bank, or selling it on the broker for plat?

Question 2:

See question one, but sweeten the pot with a "Looted by: Dissolution" tag.

I was actually interested in hearing your opinion.

You are asking would I think it would be kewl to make tons of cash playing my game?

Yes.

Do i think its in the best interest of the game?

NO

Do I want the ability to do this, personally?

Yes

If there were a vote to put this in game would I opt for this to happen?

NO

Whats unethical about this?

Any individual who forgoes personal health or life advancement b/c spending money on this game.

Whats ethical about this?

SOE can do whatever it wants. If it feels that were to be the best course of action, ill try it out a couple months and decide if there was a major problem and either quit or continue.

Jalathan · 12-18-2007, 04:25 PM

The biggest issue that a few have brought up, but hasn't been really responded to is tax related. If people are selling virtual goods that cost nothing to get, ANY money they receive would either be taxable as a capital gain or as income.

At that point it, if it goes the income tax route (ala the model of sole proprietorships) any plat you earn is therefore taxable because it is profit made in game, if you don't sell it, it is irrelevant because it is profit, just capitalized profit. Note in a sole proprietorship one does not need to remove the money from the business to be taxed on it.

How can anyone say that this doesn't have the potential to impact them is beyond me. As for it happening now, as long as SoE disallows it via the EULA and it is thus not a condoned part of the game, the IRS can not go after the legitimate players, once SoE legitimizes this, that protection goes out the window and it will be a matter of time before the IRS steps in to take it's cut in some way. That much you can count on.

Krontak · 12-18-2007, 04:28 PM

I don't know, I'd imagine if some people around here got paid for what they already do, it would only make the reward that much sweeter. I mean why the fuck not? Because you're too noble for that? Yeah sure, some would bail, but not as many as people make out to be. Most jump on the bandwagon of going to bail because its the currently acceptable gamers response. In the end, it might even up the competition. Who knows.

The problem that's gonna happen is you'll get those that are money driven clashing with those that don't give a crap and are really interested in gameplay. That should make for some great flaming.

I envision something like this will drive some people to the point of exhaustion and for them, I feel sorry if this goes to non exchange servers.

Caswydian · 12-18-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TANGARTH

WoW is so god damn popular becuase it's gameplay is polished, mechanics work and the progression is great.

WoW is popular because WoW is popular. It's more of a social networking effect. Many WoW players have no basis for comparison on things like progression and game mechanics, so saying it is popular because of those things makes no sense.